65 QUESTIONS---FIRST 10 ANSWERS (page 4)

hillary_step

Robert,

Have you ever heard of the word 'Preterism'? - Research its concepts, and I mean all of them and then return. Until then you will not understand the point of our exchange, nad certainly not the point of the scriptures that you note.

I am not siding against your interpretation of the scriptures Robert, or siding with the Preterists view of them, I am merely making the point that there are many ways of looking at the matter, even when it comes to the expression 'tribes of the earth', which you will note in Revelation also in the same sentence seems to suggest that the people who killed Jesus would see him return. What I am saying, and have been throughout these posts is that the prophetic and eschatological elements of the scriptures are open to as many intepretations as there are people who read them. I have a library of approximately 7,000 books, many of them dealing with eschatology and some dating back to the C17th. If you were to write a book on the subject it would be squeezed between the others.

I will admit that the Preterist view of the passages in Matt 24 etc, make much more sense to me that what you or the WTS, or indeed any of the modern attempts to fit history to scripture offer as an explanation, but that is not to say that either party are correct in their opinions and interpretations.

James Russell - 'Parousia' - remember the name and title.

HS

You Know

Hillary Step

Have you ever heard of the word 'Preterism'? - Research its concepts, and I mean all of them and then return. Until then you will not understand the point of our exchange, nad certainly not the point of the scriptures that you note.

Yes, I have heard of the term. You have been expousing preterist dogma trying to convince me that what I read in Scripture has no future application. I think that's nonsense.

What I am saying, and have been throughout these posts is that the prophetic and eschatological elements of the scriptures are open to as many intepretations as there are people who read them.

Not really. There is only one correct way to interpret the truth. What you mean is that anyone can twist and pervert the Scriptures anyway they prefer.

I have a library of approximately 7,000 books, many of them dealing with eschatology and some dating back to the C17th. If you were to write a book on the subject it would be squeezed between the others.

My theological library consists of about a half dozen different Bible translations and a couple of reference works. I'll take my Bible and stand it up against your 7,000 books any day, as in fact I have done. The preterist view is nothing but useless theological rubbish, in my opinion.

James Russell - 'Parousia' - remember the name and title.

Jesus Christ--- The King of kings and Lord of lords---remember the name and title.

/ You Know

hannibal

2 Tim. 2:14-18

Why bother with this kid?

hillary_step

Robert,

Not really. There is only one correct way to interpret the truth. What you mean is that anyone can twist and pervert the Scriptures anyway they prefer.

Exactly! Bingo! At last we reach a point of agreement, which then begs the next question, how do you know that you are correct and all the others incorrect? Why is your interpretation of scriptures not a perversion, but theirs is? They would vigorously defend their views Bible in hand, as you would yours. They would claim a scriptual defence for their views as you would yours.

Come clean Robert, do you believe that a special Spirit that you get from Christ allows you an elevated understanding of the Bible? You understand because you have the Holy Spirit, but despite their claims at sharing the same spirit they remain ignorant of your particular views, therefore they must not have this Spirit? Is this what you believe.

Best - HS

You Know

Joseph Malik

Where are the anointed ones You Know? I do not see any.

That's because you are blind. Jesus' anointed ones are still on the earth at the time that all nations are gathered. They are symbolized by those whom Jesus described as his brothers in the illustration. Paul noted that the anointed are joint heirs with Christ. That makes them his spiritual brothers. The fact that Jesus said that any treatment meted out to them is as if done to him indicates that they are the body of Christ that represents him on the earth at the time the judgment is initiated upon the nations.

Did you make up this alteration of the text yourself or did you let the Watchtower do it for you?

I haven't altered anything. What do you suppose I changed?

Makes no difference if they still exist or have passed into history. All nations means exactly what it says, taking in all mankind from the very beginning of man until this time. After all this is the time for the resurrection and Nations with sheep are found everywhere in time, not just in our present time.

That's total nonsense. The nations that are brought to judgment are not resurrected. Nowhere does it say that. You are merely making that up. The nations that Jesus is talking about are those same nations that "beat themselves in lamentation" when they are judged adversely by Christ during his revelation. Those nations are judged by how they treat the brothers of Christ, whom, as Paul noted are ambassadors substituting for Christ. Nations and peoples that lived before Christ obviously had no possibility of doing anything, good or bad, to the brothers of Christ, and hence, since that is the case, the nations that existed before Christ have no basis for this sort of judgment. Furthermore, Jesus spoke of a resurrection to judgment. Paul referred to his HOPE of the resurrection of the unrighteous. That's because those who are resurrected back to earth are given hope of redemption. In other words, their resurrection to judgment could be a favorable judgment depending upon their response after their resurrection. For example, Jesus said the men of Sodom would rise up in the judgment and condemn the men of Israel. In other words they would respond to Christ's instruction then. But, in the illustration of the sheep and the goats each individual is judged by what they did in this system, according to the way they treated Jesus' brothers. Those who mistreat Christ's brothers are condemned to everlasting death---period. Clearly, it is you who is in error and not me or the Watchtower.

/ You Know

Edited by - You Know on 23 June 2002 11:54:11

hillary_step

Why bother with this kid?

Lurkers look in daily on this site. Robert is about the best they are going to get in the way of a WTS apologist. He certainly knows his Bible better than any member of the GB that I have had dealings with.

Questioning JW's will be given the opportunity to experience different viewpoints without feeling 'apostate' as Robert is a loyal JW. Differing viewpoints as you know, are not allowed expression within the WTS.

So we beat our drums to the YK rhythm....lol

HS

You Know

Hillary Step asks:

how do you know that you are correct and all the others incorrect?

For those who actually accept the inspiration of the Bible, it is a matter of taking the Bible as a whole and solving and harmonizing it's numerous riddles and paradoxes so that nothing is discarded in order to present a particular view.

Why is your interpretation of scriptures not a perversion, but theirs is? They would vigorously defend their views Bible in hand, as you would yours. They would claim a scriptual defence for their views as you would yours.

Why are you now speaking in terms of "they"? You have been using their line of reasoning, have you not, from what you have gleaned from your studies of the subject? I presented my reasons why I believe the prophecies have future, global, or more correctly---a universal fulfillment, which you were unable to counter. Since you were bringing the preterist line of reasoning to the table, and since you are unable to defend that dogma before what I have presented, the only conclusion I can reasonably draw is that the preterist dogma is not supported by Scripture and is therefore a fraud.

Come clean Robert, do you believe that a special Spirit that you get from Christ allows you an elevated understanding of the Bible?

It would certainly appear so. LOL / You Know

Edited by - You Know on 23 June 2002 12:24:37

65 QUESTIONS---FIRST 10 ANSWERS

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