WTS soon to be in World of Hurt !!!

by Amazing 43 Replies latest jw friends

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  Amazing

  The State of California is now considering legistlation to make it easier, in fact very easy, for a victim of pedophilia to sue the Church (Catholic Church is main target of legislation) for significant monetary damages - perhaps shifting the burden of proof somewhat to the perpetrators (Priests) and their religious organizations who knew of these child molesters and shifted them around to different parishes.

  The Watchtower religion will also be significantly affected as the legislation is generic enough to include ALL religious organizations. What else will be of concern to the Watchtower religion? The State of California will totally and absolutely abolish ALL statute of limitations rules in cases of victims of molestations - meaning, that both Criminal and Civil actions can be taken ... as far back as a victim wants to go ... AND ... former Jehovah's Witness Elders who served as Elders in the State of California (somewhere in its 158,000 square miles, and 58 counties) will immediately, upon to passage of this legislation and signature of the Governor of California, contact the District Atorneys in the locations where molestation victims are known to have lived, and provide to them the details of who the molesters are, the victims, the Elders who sat in on Judicial Committees, etc.

  A whole lot of Jehovah's Witnesses will have to be willing to commit felony perjury by lying to the authorities and the Court to protect the Watchtower religion ... therefore, I expect at least one JW victim in California will step forth and be helped by whatever material facts former JW Elders can provide ... including sworn testimony and affidavits, depositions, etc. The Watchtower Society and its local Congregation Elders are going to be facing some tough decisions ... lie, or tell the truth ... protect the organization or protect victims.

  Former JW Elders from California: The time is finally here. Let's do this. Let's go to the authorities in the State of California IF this legislation passes ... and let's tell all we know for the sake of JW victims of molestation. I know of four JW molesters, including their Judicial Committees and victims ... so, it is time to step forth.

  Former JWs in the other 49 States: Maybe this is time to help your legislators to sponsor similar legislation as California so that ex-JW Elders everywhere can step forth and help the victims of the past and present, and maybe help prevent victims in the future!!! It will be interesting to see if the Watchtower Society sponsors Lobbiests directly or indirectly to quash such legislation ... so this is one to watch CLOSELY !!!

  Do our words have real meaning? Will our great words and praising efforts like NBC Dateline turn into real action? I believe it will ... and I have to believe that the Watchtower Society and its leaders truly do have something to worry about.

  Edited by - Amazing on 23 June 2002 21:19:4
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  joeshmoe

  The State of California is now considering legistlation to make it easier, in fact very easy, for a victim of pedophilia to sue the Church (Catholic Church is main target of legislation) for significant monetary damages

  How realistic is it to believe this legislation will pass? It seems to me like this would create alot of lawsuits, and not to be cynical, but don't you think this will get modified to lessen the number of lawsuits brought and thus water down the overall effect?
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  Amazing

  "... don't you think this will get modified to lessen the number of lawsuits brought and thus water down the overall effect?"

  None whatsoever. I believe that the opposite will happen. We are talking primarily about civil suits, where the burden of proof is based not on 'reasonable doubt' but a 'preponderance of the evidence' ... a lower standard. The problem in the past was the Statute of Limitations and Clergy-Penitent Confidentiality... and with Clergy privilege being reduced or eliminated in civil trials, then it will be a field day to sue and BANKRUPT chruches ... as has happened in Canada with the financial demise of the Anglican Church there. Soooo ... it is time to bring these F*ck*rs to accountability, and if necessary BANKRUPT the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York and ALL its related organizations and over 100 corporations in the USA.

  Edited by - Amazing on 23 June 2002 18:6:50

  Edited by - Amazing on 23 June 2002 19:31:10
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  joeshmoe

  I Hope it happens (I'll keep my fingers crossed!).
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  ItsJustlittleoldme

  and if necessary BANKRUPT the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York and ALL its related organizations and over 100 corporations in the USA.

  Oh no, that can't happen yet.. I have my whole life ahead of me, and that would be the beginning of the 'Government is turning on Religion' prophesy..

  Damn, and I was soooo hoping that Armageddon was going to be another 1000 or so years off...

  Hahahaha..

  Cool, I'd love to see the WTBTS bankrupt!!!! Now that would bring real joy to my heart!
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  Simon

  It's good to see something so 'big' happening (and know some of those making it happen!).

  Watch out WTS ... there's a storm brewin' and it's coming your way!
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  ItsJustlittleoldme

  Let's hope so!!!! I get a warm feeling all over just thinking about it!!!
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  josephus

  while i agree that something needs to be done to change the law regarding child abuse, and other sex crimes.

  i COMPLETLY disagree that anyone should be obliged to prove their innocence.

  even the catholic church and wtbts must be given the right to be presumed innocent.

  once the priciple is watered down, we will be next.

  josephus
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  Amazing

  ItsJust ... : Good points.

  and that would be the beginning of the 'Government is turning on Religion' prophesy..

  This is a good issue, even though said in jest ... and one that inspires a whole new post ... but I can say that turning against religion was one of the last fears I had to overcome after I left the organization.

  Simon: Yes. If a number of things happen in California to move the legislation along, and then enough ex-JW Elders step up to the plate, then perhaps it could cause a major wave throughout the USA and several other nations. I hope the info I have will be a part ... but the main thing is to see something real and substantive happen ... a kind of evolution from NBC Dateline.

  Josephus:

  "i COMPLETLY disagree that anyone should be obliged to prove their innocence."

  No one is suggesting that this happen. The issue in criminal cases still requires the same high standard for the "burden of proof' being upon the State to establish guilt beyond "Reasonable Doubt" ... and that is not likely to change. The issue is: ...

  Civil suits and the difficult time vicitms have had in suing religions. religions have largely been exempt from civil liability, whereas schools, day care centers, etc. have been held to a higher standard of fiduciary responsibility ... NOW it is time for religions to step up to the plate and be responsible.

  The Civil Tort laws have been in place since the foundation of the USA. This is why O. J. Simpson was found not guilty of murder, but the family of Ronald Goldman could win a civil suit, holding OJ Simpson civily liable for the wrongful death of Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman. In this sense, religions, like the Catholic Church and the Watchtower Society will have to face civil liability ... and not hide behind the clergy shield, and other protection afforded religions that are not there for other organizations and individuals.

  Edited by - Amazing on 23 June 2002 19:45:23
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  CornerStone

  MAN!, I hope the WTBTS goes down!

  Then my wife can see that Gods' hand is NOT with that messed-up evil CULT!

  CornerStone