Many more pedaphiles in the churches with reason (page 4)

Bleep

Why are they still fighting? If God was backing them up the fight would of been over along long time ago. God has more power than you know. Satan is the god of this system but we have Jehovah helping us OUR God. You should try to do more research before telling me I am a Devil worshiper. Try to take a smaller step next time.

Bleep

So being NO part of the world would not include the major actions of the political system? Interesting.

Bleep

It is not my duty to answere all the Ex JW's questions. They should of done more study and less pointing the finger.

I have done some more research about the locusts in Revelation.

Jehovah's Witnesses have long understood that the locusts of Revelation chapter 9 portray the anointed servants of God on earth in this century. These Christians have been assigned a particular job-to preach the Kingdom message earth wide and make disciples. (Matthew 24:14; 28:19, 20) This calls upon them to overcome obstacles and to stick to their work. What could better illustrate this than the indomitable locust?

This is a campaign extraordinaire, one that will be memorialized for all time. Wave upon wave of insects, most prominently locusts, devastate the land. What does this mean? Revelation 9:1-12 also speaks of a plague of locusts, sent forth by Jehovah under "a king, the angel of the abyss," who is none other than Christ Jesus. His names Abaddon (Hebrew) and Apollyon (Greek) mean "Destruction" and "Destroyer." These locusts picture the anointed remnant of Christians who, now in the Lord's day, go forth to devastate Christendom's pastures by completely exposing false religion and proclaiming Jehovah's vengeance upon it.

larc

Bleep, In your first post on this thread, you made an unsupported assertion about other churches having a higher percent of pedophiles than the Witnesses. This is my third request for you to provide proof. By proof, I mean some statistics with a reference, not some insipid assertion. Now, you say we change the subject. You have done this by bringing up neutrality, Satan's influence, confessions, and celebecy. Rather than deflecting direct questions by bringing up superfluous topics, why don't you address the original issue that you raised?

Bleep

I never promised proof with this topic. I provided the reasons the church has more trouble with the issue.

ChristianObserver

Hello again Bleep :o)

I responded to your posting Bleep as the statement which you made initially is one I have heard from other Jehovah's Witnesses, but unfortunately, to date, no evidence of the veracity of such a statement has been provided.

In your defence, you may well be unaware of debating techniques and the requirement to provide evidence for your conclusions; from your reading of organisational literature, you will consider that *tendentious* reporting is perfectly normal; and you endeavour to repeat the party line which you believe to be the *truth*.

Now outside the WTBTS, people are allowed to read the Bible and debate, discuss - argue even - with whomsoever is willing to engage with them in such discussions. They are able to read articles and scholarly works in the original - and when they do so, they discover that the WTBTS has a great tendency to *selectively quote* from these works, without giving the whole picture. Indeed, in numerous cases, by their use of *selective quotation*, they actually falsify what was written by the scholar. Outside the WTBTS there are people who - in the UK - are not all Daily Mail readers and who consider matters critically and form their own judgements. Outside the WTBTS there are many who display the fruits of the Spirit; who feed the hungry; tend the sick; visit those in prison; protect the vulnerable.

I have raised several questions for you. Perhaps you missed them. They are several posts above this if you'd like to have a shot at them.

You have now stated: *I never promised proof with this topic. I provided the reasons the church has more trouble with the issue.*

I'm afraid that I have to take issue with your second sentence here as you are making some assumptions and we need to clarify some points. You state that *the church has more trouble with the issue*. I am assuming from your comments that you are here referring to the Roman Catholic Church.

Can you tell us on what data you are basing your *conclusion*? Is it on something that you have read? And if so, where?

You suggest the following: *The priests that they have can not marry. Makes me think about other vows the nuns make. They have a lot more reasons to child sexual abuse than my religion.*

Can you tell us why the priests and nuns *have a lot more reasons to child sexual abuse* than your religion does? Can you explain what you mean by your statement *makes me think about other vows the nuns make*? What *other vows* do you mean?

This place is a *discussion forum* for anything JW related. To enable an informed discussion, it is necessary to provide evidence for claims which we make, otherwise our postings can only be considered to be our own personal opinions, not necessarily grounded in fact. I would suggest that until all cases have been through the courts and the information becomes available to the public it will be impossible to say whether paedophilia is a greater problem within the Roman Catholic Church or the WTBTS. Indeed, we may never know. But what has become apparent over the last few months is that there are cases where those in authority in both groups are culpable of *child abuse* and others in authority in both groups who are culpable of *hushing up* and *perverting the course of justice* in order not to bring reproach on the Church or the organisation respectively. I belong neither to the Roman Catholic Church, nor the WTBTS - I am merely making observations based on what has been reported and admitted regarding each group.

I will leave you with a further question if I may and would be very interested to know your reply :o)

As you believe in Satan, do you think that he will be clapping his hands and praising Bill Bowen, Barbara Anderson and those who have highlighted the problem in the Roman Catholic Church for their parts in
trying to stop children being abused and removing the abusers, or do you think that he will be clapping his hands and praising those priests and their superiors and those elders and their superiors who tried to cover things up, and in so doing, have condemned other innocent victims to suffer at the hands of these known child abusers?

Bleep

Here is my oppinion about this whole site. It tries to watch the Watchtower society and tries points out anything bad.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=32563&site=3

And Satan cares nothing for man, he has a bad track record. He wants all mankind to die with the second death along with him. Satan will have a short amount of time to test mankind when they are perfect.

COMF

18-wheelers have 4 1/2 times the number of tires as my car. Therefore they have many, many more flats than my car does.

Just knowing that makes me feel better as I sit on the side of the road ignoring my flat.

Crazy151drinker

BLeep:

The article defined neutrality and showed that Christians must not get involved in political affairs or confrontations between nations

Then why did the WT support HITLER? We all know that he was such a good Christian!

larc

Bleep, Christian Observer wrote a very thoughtful post. I am sure it took some time to compose it. I notice that you choose to ignore those comments, just as you choose to ignore any other comments of significance..... I feel sorry for you, I really do.

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