A Quartet Of Questions For You Know...

by hillary_step 38 Replies latest jw friends

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  seven006

  Bob,

  I have always seen it as quite curious that you can pick and choose scriptures to explain away anything as you see fit in relation to immediate circumstances that continue to erupt in your cult.

  If there is a little good news you spout something like "you will know god's people by their love for one another." When there is deception and outright corruption you spout "the love of the greater number will cool off." It seems to be quite handy to be able to pick and choose at random and out of context any scripture that you can apply a specific meaning to that will explain any given situation.

  I see that once again you still hold to the delusion that no matter how corrupt, unfair, elusive, or out and out deceptive your cult leaders prove themselves to be you not only have an out for the group as a whole but more specify you find an out for yourself.

  Your behavior reminds me of a classic case of deep psychological denial at it best. You are never wrong, you can never make a mistake and if you see that you might have you will never admit it. You continue to predict the end is near year after year and when October rolls by you disappear for a little while and much like your cult you deny any such statements or claim that we as your enemies simply misunderstood you and it is our fault for doing so. Think about this Bob, you are much smarter than you portray here in the threads of this forum and "you know" it! The problem is, you refuse to admit it to yourself.

  Bob, I know you have a good heart but that seems to be the key ingredient that your cult leaders do not posses. To me, any true and "only" group of people who would represent god and his kingdom here on earth must not only maintain a true interpretation of a book that you consider sacred and inspired but also do it with true love for their fellow believer. I have never seen this in your religion. I actually saw quite the opposite when I made my two week counseling trip back to Bethel. The corruption, secrecy, distrust for one another as well as the constant fear of speaking your mind was what I saw. It is not what I wanted to see but it was the truth that I could not help but see and eventually admit to myself. After being a JW my whole life and believing what they taught that one trip to the Mecca of the JW religion showed me who they really were. It took a lot for me to admit it, it took being honest with myself for possibly the first time in my life. My love for what is right did not cool off, it simply woke up.

  I have only one suggestion for you. Try looking into your heart and not your bible or the JW publications for a few answers. Then come back and tell us the truth about what you see and feel within yourself. Your closer than you think Bob.

  Take care,

  Dave
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  You Know

  Vivamus

  You Know, I am wondering. Do you believe what the GB says about them being anointed?

  Yes, I do.

  And then, do you believe that what is said by them, trough the watchtower and other publications, is the word of the anointed - the word of God?

  I don't believe that they are inspired to unerringly interpret the Bible. But, I believe at some point we will get it right.

  Also, sorry, but I do not see the logic. If God is willing to prevent evil, but not able, he is not omnipotent. If he is able, but not willing, then he is malevolent. And if he should be both able and willing, then whence cometh evil? (Okay, that's not mine, but Epicures).

  The Bible explains why God has temporarily allowed evil to afflict us. It also explains in detail what will occur when Jehovah's allowance for evil expires.

  And I would really like to say that I respect the way you defend your faith. Most JW would turn their backs, afraid for discussion.

  Thank you. / You Know
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  You Know

  Reborn

  do you feel that your God Jehovah has withdrawn his favor from the organization you are a member of and believe is the modern-day Israel?

  Not yet. I think he has withdrawn his blessing to some extent, but many prophecies foretell that God will momentarily turn his back on us in the immediate future. After all, Jehovah withdrew his spirit from his sinless Only-Begotten Son, why should he continually put up with us? But Jehovah's prophet warns our enemies not to rejoice over all coming chastisment. Micah 7:8 says: "Do not rejoice over me, O you woman enemy of mine. Although I have fallen, I shall certainly rise up; although I dwell in darkness, Jehovah will be a light to me. The raging of Jehovah I shalll bear---for I have sinned against him---until he conduts my legal case and actually executes judgment for me."

  / You Know
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  You Know

  NANOPROBE

  So are you suggesting independent thought? Should we go beyond the things written? Can we do that without the FDS?

  You already have gone beyond the things written. I am just asking you to go all the way and use your power of reason to reason through your doubts. You see, you went beyond the things written when you came on this board. The Society says that we should absolutely not consider anything from apostates. So, they figure that if you ignore their warning that you are on your own. And that's exactly how apostates want you to reason too. They want you to reject certain things of the WT, but they also are cunning enough to play upon your JW instinct and conditioning not to try and sort the Scriptures out for yourself. But, since those who come to boards like this are exposed to potentially faith destroying doubts that the Watchtower has not really equippped Jehovah's Witnesses to deal with, issues primarily dealing with the Watchtower's own shortcomings, it becomes necessary to reconsider the Scriptures in the light of the apostate's accusations in order to follow the apostolic counsel to "put up a hard fight for the faith." / You Know
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  Nanoprobe

  Dear You Know

  I have tangled with a few elders and never did one suggest that I disrespect "Mother"
  Remember "Mother" is like the Army, she's right even when she is wrong. There is no logic, no reasoning usually only the standard, I'm a company man.
  If the society (or even a few elders) gave the kind of advice you give most of us would not be setting in front of a computer today.

  Therefore, the only conclusion I can reach is. ........Your'e not really a JW are you?

  Edited by - nanoprobe on 23 July 2002 20:36:42
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  stocwach

  You Know,

  Why do you continue to sputter forth with your unorthodox JW apologetic mumbo jumbo behind a computer screen with an anonymous name and a blocked email address?

  If you feel you are worthy in God's eyes, why not reveal yourself to the visitors on this site and reveal yourself to the Society? What are you in fear of? I mean, obviously, your views would get you disfellowshipped in an instant, and you would no longer be part of "God's organization" by the Society's standards, but according to you, that wouldn't have a bearing in your salvation anyway, so what gives?

  Everything you have stated on this thread is against the Society's teachings, so either they are right, or you are right, or you are both wrong, but you both can't be right.
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  You Know

  NANOPROBE asks YK

  Therefore, the only conclusion I can reach is. ........Your'e not really a JW are you?

  Yes, I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I have been for over a quarter of a century. And in the last 6 years I have considered myself as belonging to the little flock. I take seriously my Father's injunction found at Proverbs 24: 11-12, where it says: Deliver those who are being taken away to death; and those staggering to the slaughter, O may you hold them back. In case you should say: "Look! We did not know of this," will not he that is making an estimate of hearts discern it, and he himself that is observing your soul know and certainly pay back to earthling man according to his activity?

  / You Know
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  plmkrzy

  You Know, I am wondering. Do you believe what the GB says about them being anointed?

  Yes, I do.

  You Know

  Since you are anointed, and many other men also claim to be anointed, eventually some of those old guys are going to drop over and then the GB will need to replace them OR will they?

  And if they do whom among you will be applying for the job?

  plum
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  You Know

  Plumcrazy asks

  Since you are anointed, and many other men also claim to be anointed, eventually some of those old guys are going to drop over and then the GB will need to replace them OR will they? And if they do whom among you will be applying for the job?

  I don't think there are going to be any replacements. I certainly won't want the job. Jesus once explained that you don't put new wine into old wineskins. And, in that connection, at Luke 5:39 he added, "No one that has drunk old wine wants new; for he says, "The old is nice.'" Well, I don't think the old is nice. What I see occuring is that Jesus is going to overturn the whole organization and that much of what we accept now as the truth, like old wine, will be discarded, including the wineskin-like organizational structure of things. Those who survive the shake up will drink the new wine and sing a new song. Whatever place I occupy in the post shake-up era is fine with me. / You Know
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  ozziepost

  G'day You Know,

  Well, I may not agree with you, but I respect your answers to H.S.'s 4 questions. I suspect that you may even become a seeker of truth, in time.

  It seems to me........

  ............... that your acceptance of the WTBTS being "Jehovah's Organisation" allows you to put up with the current corrupt administration of the Borg. But what if Jehovah does not have an organsisation? What if the teachings of Jesus mean that individuals have a personal relationship with Him? What then? Would you still be defending the WTS?

  Hillary: Good questions.

  Cheers, Ozzie