Please help keep this site up

by Dogpatch 23 Replies latest jw friends

  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    I am posting this for my friend Jan Groenveld in Australia. Many of you know Jan, some love her and some don't. But she is a wonderful personal friend of mine and I want to see her web pages go on, they are helpful not just on the JW stuff, but on other cults. This is not at her request, but it is my doing to share this. Paypal works wonders! :-))

    thank you,

    Randy Watters

    CULT AWARENESS AND INFORMATION CENTER
    http://caic.org.au
    is about to be disconnected!

    Tonight I am feeling more than a little disheartened. It looks like I get to
    go into retirement folks.

    On July 22nd I sent out a call for help to cover the costs of our web site
    account by July 31st. It is now 7 PM on July 29th Australian time and so
    far not one cent has been contributed!

    Maybe some thought I was kidding when I said we would be going off the
    air -- I wasn't! . I was given a 2 week extension to pay, and when it was
    obvious that I would not be able to get the money elsewhere I sent out this
    call.

    Putting it bluntly, unless I pay $1200.00, or a large part of it, by July
    31st, this work will be off the air within the week.. First I will lose the
    e-mail facility. When I don't pay within a week or so they will delete the
    web site. Today I received final notification that this would happen.

    Even if 10 % of the people I sent the call to had given only $5.00 each it
    would have covered at least half of the account and given us breathing
    space. The fact that no one gave anything is more than disheartening .....

    The Internet costs have been even higher this last 6 months after
    downloading considerable information for cult members and new ex-cult embers
    who do not have the internet .... The extra megabytes have cost me
    over $700.00 on top of the internet fees. For all that CAIC received a
    $35.00 donation. Maybe because we do not charge a set fee people may think
    we don't have any costs????

    What more can I say ......?

    Jan
    Last weeks message BELOW ....PLEASE READ IT AGAIN! Following is the new
    screed about CAIC I was planing to put on the web page.

    p.s. It is now midnight my access to the website has been cut off. People
    can still access it, but any e-mail sent to it will not be sent to my mail
    box.

    WEB SITE COSTS

    Our costs for being on the Internet and having a Website now TOTAL $1820.00
    a year! That works out at just over $150.00 a month. We have a huge
    database on our website and more ready for uploading which is why the cost
    is so high - we have to pay for that extra space.

    There is no way we can support this from our finances since Simon is now
    partly retired. The last few months I have been progressively selling off
    our library to supplement this but this takes time ..... and meanwhile we
    are falling further and further behind!

    Other than a couple of supporters, who send in a regular contribution, we do
    not have a regular income for our work. This year matters have been even
    harder since I had to replace my whole computer system after an electrical
    fault, caused by new hardware installed last year, finally caused the system
    to crash.

    I have never charged a fee for a consultation or counseling and I am
    reluctant to begin doing so.

    WE NEED YOUR HELP!!!!!!!

    Being a pretty straight forward person, I am asking outright for your help
    day with a contribution to offset our costs? We need support right now! Our
    fees are a month overdue and if we don't pay them by the end of July we ill
    be cut off!

    If you are overseas, you can make a contribution on the Internet using your
    Credit Card. Go to:
    https://www.paypal.com/xclick/business=jan.g%40bigpond.net.au

    This is the Donation Page especially set up for CAIC. If you are not a
    PAYPAL member, you will need to sign up. Membership is free.

    In Australia, if you don't want to use your credit card on you can send a
    check to the address at the top of this letter. Please make the check out
    to FIC/CAIC. (See address below)

    NOTE: Our banks will NOT accept international checks. If you live outside
    Australia, please do not send a check .....

    In advance: Thankyou from all those who benefit from out website!

    CAIC
    PO Box 2444
    Mansfield Q 4122
    Australia

    Who on Earth
    is the
    Cult Awareness & Information Centre??

    * We are concerned about people who are ensnared in totalitarian groups.
    * We warn the public about cults, their deceitful recruiting techniques,
    the imprisoning of member;s minds though fear and phobia indoctrination and
    the isolation of members from those outside the group either physically
    or psychologically,
    * We work together with others who are as concerned as we are.

    Founder, Jan Groenveld, has been involved in liberating people from cults
    since 1980.

    Jan was involved in cults for 15 years. After studying with the Worldwide
    Church of God and the Seventh Day Adventists, she and her husband Simon were
    baptised in to the Mormon Church. Four years later, after the death of their
    infant daughter, Jan began studying with Jehovah's Witnesses. (The Mormon
    explanation about the early death of her baby made her leave Mormonism in
    disgust.) For the next 7 years, Jan was involved with Jehovah's Witness. In
    1975, Jan walked away from Jehovah's Witnesses when she realized she had
    been lied to. Jan also realized was not going to get her infant
    daughter back in a resurrection soon after 1975. For the next two years Jan
    floundered. Her anger at God for letting her be deceived, along with the
    grief at the loss of her baby
    finally catching up with her, led to severe depression. Then in July 1978
    Jan finally looked at her Bible again. There she saw things she had not seen
    before. Finally, in August Jan became a Christian. She had finally found
    the Truth. Her faith was not based on belonging to any particular religious
    group and following rules, but based on faith in Jesus Christ alone, with
    works that followed as a result of her faith.

    In 1980 Jan put an advertisement in the paper to find other former JW's.
    From there the work grew and since then Jan has appeared on national and
    local Television, in national magazines and newspapers and for weeks at a
    time was on the road, going from town to town, holding meetings to warn and
    prepare people for their next encounter with a cult member at their door.

    Jan was one of the first counter-cult workers to make use of the Internet
    and its predecessor, the Bulletin Boards . There she moderated the Cult
    Awareness forum. In 1991, Jan went on to the Internet, in the days when it
    was truly cumbersome , and as it grew so did her information site. In 1994
    the page began to change format with the introduction of Browser software
    and since then it has grown from its original 500 kilobytes to its current
    size.

    Since 1996, Jan has worked full time on the Internet. Her involvement in
    about 40 support groups and being Moderator of six of these groups keeps her
    busy. Currently her e-mails number an average of 1500 a day! Approximately
    50 of these messages involve counseling individuals, providing information
    about various cults and their teachings, and supporting people who have been
    spiritually abused by these groups.

    The CAIC website has a over 1 gigabyte of information available now.
    Currently over 2 gigabytes of information is
    downloaded from the website each month . Daily Jan receives e-mails from
    people who have been helped by the information.

    Before the Internet CAIC was supported by the sale (at a nominal amount) of
    this information. Now people in need have access to this information free of
    charge to them. However, it costs us a considerable amount to do this.

    CAIC is not supported by ANY church organizations, or any other
    organization. CAIC has only volunteer workers. The only full time person
    Jan. Yes, there are long hours and horror stories on a daily basis yet Jan
    loves this work very much because she is helping others.

  • outoftheorg
    outoftheorg

    Hi Dogpatch, thanks for the information. I sent a donation and I hope others here do also.

  • outoftheorg
    outoftheorg

    Sent her a donation I sure hope others do also and I hope it helps her.

    When I clicked on the submit button my computer locked up. Ended up posting twice by accident.

    Oh well.

    Edited by - outoftheorg on 31 July 2002 19:15:47

  • teejay
    teejay

    Hi, Randy.

    Maybe because I'm weird or it's because I had a hard day, but two of your comments stand out.

    Even if 10 % of the people I sent the call to had given only $5.00 each it
    would have covered at least half of the account and given us breathing
    space. The fact that no one gave anything is more than disheartening .....
    How should someone view the lack of response to her plea for help? The first thing I thought of was something Russell supposedly said a century ago about funding the watchtower -- that if the time came when there wasn't enough money to go around to cover expenses, they would view it as god's way of saying "shut it down." Not all endeavors are essential. And those that are sometimes outlive their usefulness.

    You also revealed that

    Jan was involved in cults for 15 years. After studying with the Worldwide
    Church of God and the Seventh Day Adventists, she and her husband Simon
    were baptised in to the Mormon Church. Four years later, after the death of
    their infant daughter, Jan began studying with Jehovah's Witnesses.
    Pardon this thought that ran through my head: I wonder what cult she will join next. She seems to have covered them all.
  • Marilyn
    Marilyn

    I have no doubt that Jan is a wonderful person. However I do not wish to receive her emails and I find it annoying that she sends them to me. I thought you had to apply to be sent information - no one should automatically assume that what interests you, interests everyone.

    Marilyn

  • COMF
    COMF

    I am more than happy to help. I am responding to Jan's request using the same speed and attentiveness with which Jan responds to requests for email addresses to be removed from her list.

  • Kismet
    Kismet

    I can't believe some of you would use this as an opportunity to take another kick at JanG.

    I know how deep it hurts when a forum that you have put your time, and your heart into eds up either folding up or becoming a ghost of what it once was.

    Jan's website has been of help to many people and it is a real shame that it is going to have to disappear. Jan's heart must be broken. I am sure the loving words of support here really have softened the emotional hurt for her. (sarcasm intended)

    I too had a problem with the mailing lists a few years back. It was upsetting at the time. But for cripes sake show a little heart people! You couldn't manage even a 'thanks for the sincere efforts' or a "I am sorry that you can't keep it going." Would that have hurt you or been such a hardship? Is it really necessary to give another kick?

    Jan: Thank you for all the hard work you have put in over the years trying to help people. I hope other avenues open up whereby you can continue helping people.

    Kismet

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    Kismet is 100% correct.

    It is easy to not appreciate something when you have not seen the benefit of it. And it is no wonder that Jan's detractors are American, who have no need for her help or her website.

    Jan Groenveld is Australia's answer to Randy Watters or Kent Steinhaug. If they sent out appeals for money, so that their website wouldn't close down, I know they would receive thousands of dollars.

    Well, Jan does exactly the same work as these guys do, and probably alot more.

    Who do you think the Australian media contacts first when they wish to speak to former JWs?

    Who has helped hundreds of people leaving the JWs and other cults in Australia as much as she has?

    I have met Jan personally, and she is a genuine, caring person who is doing a very important work here in Australia, as well as reaching out to others in other countries. I find it very sad that some chose to ridicule her over trivial matters.

    PLEASE, if you can offer her some financial support, I urge you to do so.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Kismet and Prisca,

    Her unsolicited e-mails are merely a minor irritant (as least for me),

    With regards to comments made about her being in several cults: who would know better about the power cults have over people than someone who's been involved in several of them? Who would be better prepared to help people out of that power than someone who's experienced it?

    I'm saddened that she cannot afford to keep up the work that she's done for decades and done for free. I'm more saddened that people have said some of the things they've said about her in this thread.

    If I had the means to help right now, I would be first in line to do so.

    Farkel

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    Thank you ((((((farkel)))))))

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