The assumption, of course, is that there IS a 'kid' to 'want' right now.
How much value to you attach to a specific group of cells in his (?ex?) girlfriends's womb?
Edited by - Xander on 9 August 2002 18:46:5
Pro-Life or Pro-Choice--HELP
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StinkyPantz
Apparently he values those cells a lot (he wants to keep them doesn't he?) since they are there because of him and they will one day look like him.
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jozb5
I guess it would depend on how old the "group of cells" are.
When I was pregnant with my 2nd child, at my 8th week of pregnancy I nearly lost her. Her little heart had just begun to beat at 5 weeks and I almost lost her because part of the placenta had dislocated from my womb. Not once did I consider her just a group of cell that would have to fend for themselves.
It's funny how people will precieve a baby at either a groups of cells if it's unwanted but if it's wanted magicly it's a baby on the way.
Josie
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amac
How much value to you attach to a specific group of cells
That's his personal perspective. He obviously attaches a lot of value to it. Are you telling him that he needs to reevaluate the value he places on his child/embryo/sperm/cells/whateveryouwanttocallthepartofyourbodythatmeetswiththepartofanotherbodyandstartsmakinganotherhumaninyourfashion?
If so, unless you can speak from experience and the emotions you had to deal with from whichever decision you made, then you have no authority to question that value. That's my take.
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bitter mango
How much value to you attach to a specific group of cells in his (?ex?) girlfriends's womb?
depends on who you're talking to, i guess.
Edited by - bitter mango on 10 August 2002 1:33:55
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SixofNine
It's funny how people will precieve a baby at either a groups of cells if it's unwanted but if it's wanted magicly it's a baby on the way.
And for me, anymore, that is what it comes down to. THAT makes all the difference, and THAT is all that should even be discussed, IMO. btw, I understand that I probably took your words exactly opposite of your meaning.
Unfortunately, men have done such a pathetic job of caring for their children, or sticking by their pregnant women historically, that, much as I hate too, I firmly take the side that says men get NO say in the matter. It pains me to take that stance, as being a good father, and loving my daughter, is w/o a doubt my proudest accomplishment in life.
The simple fact is that, if men were allowed say in the matter, there would be cases, many cases, of men who were more in love with making a point, than really in love with their own offspring, when it came time to actually care for said offspring. That's not a situation we can afford to even risk, in a society that already has too many throw away kids.
Next time, I suggest planning for a baby that is wanted by both parties. Meanwhile, if your sex act could possibly bring about a pregnancy, make sure it can't happen immediately, with emergency birth control. There is almost no reason for unwanted pregnancy in first world countries.
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Xander
If so, unless you can speak from experience and the emotions you had to deal with from whichever decision you made, then you have no authority to question that value
I was merely asking if he had re-evaluated his position or not.
I've noticed, and I was going to start another thread on it, that on the topics of: abortion, blood transfusions, and homosexuality, those XJWs born and raised in the org seem to keep their old beliefs. Maybe not as strongly as before (IE., I don't think any XJWs would die for a lack of blood transfusions - but, all I've talked to IRL still object to them), at least on these three issues (maybe more) - it seems people don't generally spend the time to rethink what they were told on them.
I was just wondering if he had yet, and still came to this (current) conclusion, or if he was just running on emotion + his old, never really questioned, beliefs.
Edited by - Simon on 2 September 2002 16:46:53
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willy_think
here is a test to see if you can identify this specific group of cells?
some knowledge in cellular biology may be helpful
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Xander
Look here, willy, I'm not trying to start an argument. I, honestly, have no stake in this whatsoever, at all. I really don't care. I was just asking a question.
As to your link:
Well, that's all well and good. I'm assuming you've seen pictures of remove cancerous tissue? NOT MAKING ANY CONNECTION HERE, PEOPLE, OTHER THAN: Ugly pictures do not an argument make.
The whole pro-life/pro-choice debate is strictly an emotional (or religious, if you swing that way) issue, and I really am not the person to argue either side.
I only asked if he had bothered to question what he had been brainwashed into believing on the topic (IE., came to this conclusion on his own), or not.
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