Has there been a policy change?

by Mulan 44 Replies latest jw friends

ISP

DA without an announcement? I can't see that being correct!
ISP
Mulan

Elsewhere, thank you for the reminder. I am printing it from their site, so I can have it ready to read to the PO when he calls tonight. It will be neat for Mom to read it too. She is so defensive of what they do, and told me that if I am an apostate, they can shun me. So, I said "how would they know that?" Blank stare. Of course she is telling them things but won't admit it.
blondie

Thought the only way a JW could be automatically DA'd was by joining a religion, joining the military, running for political office, taking a blood transfusion. If they have enough evidence (witnesses), maybe the elders don't have to talk to the person. But, of course, Mulan, you haven't done these things. I would think though that an announcement would have been made.
Older folk like myself still have to remind ourselves that DA'ing does not mean the equivalent of DF'ing for a nonbaptized publisher.
ISP

DA'ing is the easy way to DF. They don't need to have a Judicial or witnesses.
ISP
nancee park

IF they have decided to backstab you like that then why not send them a copy of the following and add to it, "here's some of the reasons why I haven't been coming to your kingdom halls:"
DEAR JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AND PUBLIC: There are many nice Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs) but did you know the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society (WTS) over them, and the WTS-appointed local WTS elders cover up child molestation and let JW pedophiles go door-to-door as proved at http://www.silentlambs.org or phone toll-free 1 877-WT-ABUSE.
And this shows a UK elder handcuffed for prison because a pedophile: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_2123000/2123546.stm
WTS leaks state that over 23,000 JW pedophiles are on file at WTS Bethel
headquarters in Brooklyn, New York (USA), most unrevealed to police despite
Romans 13:1. That at least one pedophile was on the Governing Body of the WTS
in the 1980s if not now also is documented:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=5466&site=3 Convicted
Ministerial Servant/Elder pedophiles include Gregory Blackstone at Hollis, New
Hampshire; Larry Baker at Augusta, Maine; Tim Gardner at Richmond, Missouri;
Manual Beliz at Othello, WA; others in the UK, France, Norway, Australia etc
WTS Awake and Watchtower magazines and elders say God opposes the UN but, until
exposed, in 1991-2001 the WTS was secretly a formal U.N. associate not just to
use the U.N.'s library as proved if you read the Nov 22, 1998 Awake magazine
and use Search at the top at jehovahs-witness.org with "UN" or "U.N." Besides,
the U.N. does not even require a group to become an official associate group in
order to get a card to use its library! After this was publicized on the
internet the official U.N. ties were cut but not all unofficial ties: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=34436&site=3
Christ said families would be split by those doing right and those doing wrong
but WTS has formal Judicial Committees destroying families via numerous formal
renderings of disfellowshipment (severe shunning). 1 Cor 6:1 only says judge
"trivial" things as in business, James 2:4-13 calls judging harmful, and Paul
says the "majority" (2 Cor 2:6) followed his advice to shun a wrongdoer,
meaning a Minority chose not to and yet he nowhere condemns them.
Acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 Sam 14:32-5 says Saul's army ate
unBLED meat to not starve and no verses show God not forgiving them. Christ
says God also forgave David's eating temple holy bread and that God wants Mercy
Not Sacrifice. (Mt 12) The May 22, 1994 Awake tells of 26 JW kids who died
without transfusions, and by common sense in massive bleeding as in car wrecks
blood expanders won't save lives http://www.ajwrb.org . About 3 JWs die daily
earthwide from the unscriptural policy! (Blood On The Altar by David Reed) Yet
most normal identical twins transfuse whole blood to each other through a
shared placenta and childrens' whole blood is sometimes found in mothers years
after birth.
WTS says Christ was likely born about Oct 2, so why ignore counting back 9
months for normal conception or genetic-level birth means he was born in late
December? Why insist Christmas is from the pagan Saturnalia when John 10:22-3
says Christ also celebrated the Festival of Dedication or Lights, i.e.
Hannukah, which first began Dec 25 but has varied since because lunar-based?
Job 1:3, 3:1-3 show Job's kids celebrated birthdays if you read all 3 verses to
see day of birth is meant. At Luke 2 angels themselves celebrated Christ's
birth. Santa is from Saint Nicholas, an actual red-robed Christian gift-giving
elder of the Middle Ages, not a wizard or pagan god. The word Easter may as
easily be from the Anglo-Saxon word eastern (Christianity came from East of
England) as from the goddess Eastre, the eggs as likely from the Jewish
passover egg as from paganry, common sense saying early Christians more likely
using eggs and rabbits to symbolize the hope for new life by resurrection than
as vesiges of pagan fertility or sex rites!
Halloween came from All Hallows (Holy Ones/Saints) Evening when parents had
children dress as saints to encourage them to be good, the normally harmless
pranks coming from Ireland where maybe or maybe not taken from pagans even as
wedding rings, names of days, months, some Christian names in the Bible like
Apollos and Jason also came from pagans. Why does the WTS call compromises
holidays that attacked and replaced paganisms especially since Colossians 2:16
says let none judge you about a holiday or Sabbaths? WTS calls a cross a
repugnant murder weapon but Paul said boast in it as a symbol of resurrection
over death. (Ga 6:14, 1Cor 1:17-18) They say it was a stake but human remains
and inscriptions show archaeologists the stauros was a cross not stake, Dr F
Zugibe's research shows suffocation would be in minutes if on a stake but in
hours if on outstretched cross per Lu 23:44 and Mat 27:45-6, and the word
stauros can mean not just stake but cross.
Although almost only the United Pentecostals teach that Jesus is God Almighty
(Jehovah) Himself, WTS says the Trinity is believing Father, Son, Spirit are
one "identical" person and falsely say most all Protestant and Catholic
churches teach that, even though the fact is that most all other Protestant and
Catholic groups accept the trinity idea as being three totally different
entities or persons forming one "Godship" (Ro 1:20), Son and Spirit sharing
inherited age, power, knowledge from God just as an acorn may be only one day
old but also have its genes inheriting its ancestral oak tree's age, capacity
amd information!
Members are told report on each other although the Bible condemns busy-bodying.
Nor are regular JWs allowed to read Judicial Committee "sin files" on
themselves, many not knowing they exist often with misinformation and kept at
Brooklyn's Bethel headquarters even if destroyed locally after seven years.
Page 232 in the Insight book shows a picture of the Pay Attention To Yourselves
And All The Flock book that elders have but do not allow non-elders to read.
Page 302 in the Daniel book and pages 88 and 651 in the Proclaimers book show
photos of the Knights Templar swords and the cross-with-crown-and-wreath used
by Masons who sometimes use "Theocratic Warfare" tactics to change members'
personalities on early WTS literature. Not surprisingly with the pedophile and
other scandals, many good JWs have also complained of visual and electronic
spying and harassment, including physically! Some old WT books also have the
winged sun god Ra on front covers - never a Christian symbol.
Many Jehovah's Witnesses staying JWs are cutting time and money given the WTS
which is declared "apostate" by silentlambs.org for endangering children, the
secret U.N. liason etc. Many exJWs meet for fun ( http://exjw.meetup.com/) , get
a newsletter from a fellowship united by love which is greater than forced same
beliefs (Col 3:14, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jahchristian/) , join a church
etc. This was written out of love for our JW families and friends as well as
the public's - yours too! Please help out silentlambs.org (1 877-WT-ABUSE) in
fighting for the children by making and distributing more copies today!
og

I am pretty sure that the only way to be DA'd is to DA oneself. The only unilateral action the Elders have is to DF.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong...
ISP

You can be DA'd without you writing a letter...i.e. the WTS views you as having DA'd yourself by your 'conduct'.
ISP
og

I guess I need to see "chapter and verse" on this one. I really think they would be required to DF, not DA. Is there a KM or OM citation for this?
MARTINLEYSHON

Mulan
To be honest, all members of this site have effectively dissasociated themselves by being members of this site. Sorry to disappoint everyone, but we are technically d/s. Just as if we joined another church, in fact this site would be veiwed in a worst light. By our actions we have condemed ourselves
So yes if they catch up with any of you, you should all be d/s.That is what I would have done to you as an Elder in the year 2000.
Martin
ISP

*** w81 9/15 23 Disfellowshiping-How to View It *** THOSE WHO DISASSOCIATE THEMSELVES
13 A Christian might grow spiritually weak, perhaps because of not studying Gods Word regularly, having personal problems or experiencing persecution. (1 Cor. 11:30; 14:1) Such a one might cease to attend Christian meetings. What is to be done? Recall that the apostles abandoned Jesus on the night of his arrest. Yet Christ had urged Peter, When once you have returned, strengthen your brothers [who also abandoned Jesus]. (Luke 22:32) Hence, out of love Christian elders and others might visit and help the one who has grown weak and inactive. (1 Thess. 5:14; 15:1; Heb. 12:12, 13) It is another matter, though, when a person repudiates his being a Christian and disassociates himself.
14 One who has been a true Christian might renounce the way of the truth, stating that he no longer considers himself to be one of Jehovahs Witnesses or wants to be known as one. When this rare event occurs, the person is renouncing his standing as a Christian, deliberately disassociating himself from the congregation. The apostle John wrote: They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us.1 John 2:19.
15 Or, a person might renounce his place in the Christian congregation by his actions, such as by becoming part of an organization whose objective is contrary to the Bible, and, hence, is under judgment by Jehovah God. (Compare Revelation 19:17-21; Isaiah 2:4.) So if one who was a Christian chose to join those who are disapproved of God, it would be fitting for the congregation to acknowledge by a brief announcement that he had disassociated himself and is no longer one of Jehovahs Witnesses.

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