Non-JW wanting to Date a JW....some advice?

by Radium 37 Replies latest social relationships

  • Gerard
    Gerard

    My situation is similar. But I know I am in love and have done all I can do...I am at a the point of wait and see. My advice is that

    1) you read Franz' books: "Crisis of Consciense" and "In search of Christian Freedom". It will show you what to expect as a husband of a JW and fathering a child with her. It ain't pretty. It will likely break your relationship because they just can't compromise. They have interesting legal advice for divorce and child custody you may want to be warned about...

    2) Have her read these books so she understands your anxiety...maybe she'll awake in the process.

    I have decided that I will never marry a member of the Borg collective and certainly my future children will not be assimilated. Never. Even if it breaks my heart.

    Gerry

  • larc
    larc

    Radium, this girl does not want you to meet her parents. What she is doing is against her religious beliefs. That is why she feels so guilty over one kiss.

    Her parents don't want to see you either. If they did see you, they would most likely tell you to get lost, unless you feigned an interest in their religion, and that could lead to disaster for you.

  • butalbee
    butalbee

    Save yourself heart break---

    Run for yer life .

    It won't work out no matter how hard you try.

    Sorry. But that's the truth.

  • out4good3
    out4good3

    there are so many girls out there.......not with the morals of a witness girl of course

    Sorry to interrupt but this just irritates the $hit out of me when people make blind blanket assumptions like this. There are just as many chaste and moral non-jw girls out there as there APPEAR to be in the JW organization. Most of the JW kids I've run across have fine tuned living a double life while biding their time till they can support themselves to a artform. When I ws in high school, I knew JW kids who drank and cursed like sailors and others who had so many sexual partners you'd think they were doorknobs where everyone got a turn. Yet they always manages to appear chaste and virtuous to their parents and the congregations.

    In fact, my wife came home a couple of weeks ago talking about a "special talk" they had on the very subject of Living Double Lives.

    This is nothing more than residual borg "we be better than them" thinking that I will not subscribe too. If you really believe this I suggest you really rethink how much influence the borg still have over you.

  • mamashel
    mamashel

    THE BIGGEST THING THE JWS RELIGION DOES IS FORBID YOU YOU LIVE YOUR OWN LIFE AND HAVE FUN!!!!!

    MOST OF THEIR RULES APPLY TO EVEN YOUR NEXT BREATH. DONT BE FOOLED, THEY WILL BE IN EVERY AREA OF YOUR LIFE. AS FAR AS A BELLY RING, THAT IS A BIG NO NO! I WAS COUNSELLED ON MY LONG FINGERNAILS, SO YOU CAN PROBABLY FIGURE THE REST OUT FOR YOUR SELF. AND ALOT DOES DEPEND ON WEATHER OR NOT SHE IS BAPTIZED.

    SHELLEY

  • outcast
    outcast

    out4good3

    I was being very, very sarcastic.

  • breeze
    breeze

    YOU WILL PROBABLY NEVER CONVINCE HER PARENTS TO ALLOW YOU TO DATE HER........

    IF YOU DO YOU HAVE LOST AND YOU WILL BE SICK OF IT AFTER JUST A FEW DATES...????

    LET IT GOOOOOOOOOOO........

    breeze

    Edited by - breeze on 11 September 2002 19:34:24

  • jws
    jws

    Let the buyer beware!!!

    First off, if her parents are good-standing JWs, they will not approve of you at all, no matter how nice you are. It doesn't matter. You are not a JW, and like everyone else who is not a JW, they believe you are evil and will be destroyed at Armageddon. And you are a threat to their daughter because you could drag her away from the religion, where she too will be destroyed.

    You will either have to become a good-standing JW and prove yourself, or she will have to rebel against her parents and date you anyway, possibly leaving the JWs.

    I knew a lot of JWs who had their "rebelious" period. Some started dating those outside the religion and where sort of the "bad kids", but stayed JWs. Some left the religion.

    And you certainly have that hope that she'll leave. Let's say things go good and you end up in a long-term relationship and/or marriage. Great, but her family is still in. They will not stop working on her to come back.

    I've seen it plenty of times. So many people leave the organization, but not on principle, but based on what seems fun at the time. Maybe they were smoking. Maybe it was for sex. Maybe for dating those outside the religion. Maybe they just didn't like the rules and strictness. The point is, their mind never really abandons the beliefs. Often times guilt resides in their minds. They feel they are sinning and need to return, but just can't do it right now. While they are young and having fun, the fun can erase a lot of guilt. But a few years later, they settle down and maybe start thinking about returning. And her family will be working on that too. Down the road, she could repent and rejoin and now you're the unbelieving mate. The one who persecutes her. The one she is now devoted to trying to save.

    And something else concerns me. You said she wants to go to college and get piercings. Sounds like she wants to use you to get away from her parents.

    Another interesting behavior trait I've seen among many JWs is to get married as soon as they are able. They are not allowed to date except with marriage in mind. And certainly not allowed to have sex. This is difficult when you're 18 and your hormones are raging. I believe many latch onto the first person they start a semi-serious relationship with and marry them - without getting to know them. This satisfies the urges and it also provides them something else. A chance to escape mom and dad. A lot of JWs don't like the strictness and long to be out on their own and see marriage as a legitimate way to gain this freedom or independence. Especially for a JW girl, this sometimes seems to be the way out. They are trained to be in subjection and don't like being in subjection to their parents and feel a mate will give them more freedom.

    Make sure that if she does decide to date you two things are settled. First, make sure she learns that the JWs are not a true religion. She needs to become what they term "apostate". If she doesn't know the truth about JWs, she is in danger of returning when she feels guilty enough. And secondly, make sure she is not using you as a vehicle to rebel a little. You'll take her away and let her do all the things her parents wont. That's not the basis for a relationship.

    -jws

    Edited by - jws on 11 September 2002 21:19:32

  • out4good3
    out4good3

    My apologies...

    Guess I'll have to lighten up a bit......

  • Radium
    Radium

    JWS....I liked that but I have a question....She is no longer a teenager either...she is 21 and will be 22 in Oct. She goes to clubs and drinks also....this was happening before I even met her....any idea of this kinda of behavior???

    Any other info would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks

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