It's obvious that Honestly (an oxymoron) is a family member. How dare she speak for all family members! Who hates Vicki??? And isn't hate such a strong word for such morally righteous? I have a very good idea who Honestly is and really want to warn that she doesn't want to bring one's character up. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. There are a lot of skeletons in the closet in the Palmer family. Don't provoke me...
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by honestly 40 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse
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wasasister
"Honestly" provides a valuable lesson in attacking the victim. Let's consider for a moment what the trial is about.
The abuse has been established. It matters not what Vicky is like now; not her moral character; her behavior; her dress or groooming. At the time she suffered abuse, she was an innocent. She was later victimized again by elders forcing her to confront her abuser and relive the horror.
Frankly, I don't care one bit if Vicky enjoys a stellar reputation or not. This does nothing to excuse the sub-human monster (I can't call such a person a "man", as it insults others of that gender) who would use his own daughter for sexual gratification. Nor does it exuse the lack of understanding and compassion by the religious body - the elders and by extension the WTS - who mishandled the case when it came to light.
Along with several others, I've noticed Honestly makes no judgements whatsoever about the abuser in this case. What about that scumbag's moral character? Has the family disowned that?
What about it, Honestly. Care to tell us all how you view Vicky's (so-called) father? Are you proud to know "it"?
Wasa
Edited by - wasasister on 14 September 2002 11:51:48
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Scully
honestly spewed:
>>>I HAVE KNOWN HER SINCE CHILDBIRTH,AND ONCE UPON A TIME SHE WAS A NORMAL SWEET PERSON WHO LOVED HER PARENTS,THEN SHE CHANGED.IT STARTED WHEN SHE MET SCOTT i WOULD SAY.tHATS WHEN HER TROUBLES BEGAN AFTER SHE GOT MARRIED.SHE STARTED EXPLOITING HERSELF SEXUALLY AND STARTED MAKIN UP THE WILDEST STORIES ABOUT HER HUSBAND AND HERSELF AND THATS WHEN I REALIZED THAT SHE WASNT THE SAME PERSON AND I REALIZED WHAT KIND OF MORALS SHE HAD AND SHE STARTED SAYINGTHINGS ABOUT SCOTT THAT WAS WHEN I REALIZED SHE ISNT RIGHT.AS THE YRS WENT BY SHE JUST GOT WORSE.AND NOW I DONT EVEN KNOW HER,SHE HAS STRETCHED HER TESTOMONY AND MUCH OF IT IS DOWNRIGHT LIES.I HAVE ACTUAL LETTERS FROM VICKY FROM YRS BACK THAT CONTRADICT WHAT SHE IS CLAIMING NOW.<<<For someone who is so concerned about the possibility that posting Gower Palmer's photograph here constitutes "slander" (libel, really), they certainly have no problem making libellous remarks about Vicki.
I would suggest that you knock it off now. You're digging your own grave.
Love, Scully
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Satanus
Maybe honestly is the father. He/she is very pro-pedo.
SS
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Big Tex
MUCH OF IT IS DOWNRIGHT LIES
Typical denier only enabling more abuse by a perverse pedophile. Since you're not denying anything here, nor are you attempting to defend your position, it is reasonable to conclude that you are only interested in muddying the waters and causing trouble here.
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lisaBObeesa
TO NOTSO PERFECT......WHAT DO I HAVE AGAINST HER?I HAVE KNOWN HER SINCE CHILDBIRTH,AND ONCE UPON A TIME SHE WAS A NORMAL SWEET PERSON WHO LOVED HER PARENTS,THEN SHE CHANGED.
I hear that sometimes happens to victims of child abuse. They change.
AND THATS WHEN I REALIZED THAT SHE WASNT THE SAME PERSON AND I REALIZED WHAT KIND OF MORALS SHE HAD AND SHE STARTED SAYINGTHINGS ABOUT SCOTT THAT WAS WHEN I REALIZED SHE ISNT RIGHT.
So you realized she isnt right. Did you realize this after you knew that she had been abused, or before? And did you at this point decide she was somehow broken or hurt or needed help and understanding, or did you decide she was evil and bad and need to be avoided?
And what do you think of the morals of her father? Was he who you thought he was?
AS THE YRS WENT BY SHE JUST GOT WORSE.
You must have been filled with sadness for her and have been moved to reach out in Christian love.
AND NOW I DONT EVEN KNOW HER
You KNOW she is lying now, but you dont even know her now??? How can that be?? You don't KNOW anything.
,SHE HAS STRETCHED HER TESTOMONY AND MUCH OF IT IS DOWNRIGHT LIES.I HAVE ACTUAL LETTERS FROM VICKY FROM YRS BACK THAT CONTRADICT WHAT SHE IS CLAIMING NOW.
If this is true, why do you assume that she is lying now? Maybe she was lying then, to protect herself or her abuser or the family or the congregation? There is no way for you to know.
WHY DO I HAVE AGAINST HER????SHE HAS TORN HER FAMILY APART
Her father, the abuser, tore the family apart. The moment he violated his child, he tore HER apart. He tore the family apart, not her. He is responsible for what has happened.
And think about what are you saying! Why dont you have something against the father??
Why arent you angry at the guy who sexually abused his daughter??
But it is typical that family and friends often do not believe the victim and try to protect the abuser because it is too painful to face the truth.
The fact that her family has turned against her does not prove she is not telling truth. It is irrelevant. It proves nothing.
EVEN COUSINS AND AUNTS AND UNCLES WHO CAN SEE RIGHT THRU HER.
Again, it is typical that family and friends to not believe the victim and try to protect the abuser because it is too painful to face the truth. The fact that THEY dont believe her is irrelevant. It proves nothing. T he fact that YOU dont believe her is irrelevant.
SEE YOU GUY DONT KNOW BOTH SIDES AND YOU NEVER WILL
How on earth can YOU know both sides unless you are the abuser or the abused o r at least one of the elders who were involved in the case? It is impossible for you to know both sides. Or even one side for sure. You are guessing and making stuff up and saying it is truth.
BECAUSE VICKY KNOWS SHES DOES ENOUGH DAMAGE AND WILL COME TO HER SENSES AND HER BRAINWASHING BY FRANK MOTTRILL IS COMING OUT.YOU SEE HE IS USINH VICKY AS A PAWN TO GET BACK AT THE WTS FOR HIS OWN WRONGDOING.ANYWAY IT WILL SOON BE OVER
I have no idea what the heck you are talking about here, or how you could be inside the head of some guy named Frank and know his motives. Or how you can be inside the head of this woman you say you don't even know now. You are guessing and making stuff up and saying it is truth.
........I PERSONALLY WILL NEVER LOOK OR TALK TO HER AGAIN,SHE HAS BEEN DISOWNED MY HER REALTIVES,MOST ARE NOT EVEN WITNESSES SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU.
It tells me that, like many families where there is abuse, they and friends like you, have rallied around the abuser and shut out the abused one, causing further abuse and pain. The fact that you and her realitives shun her is irrelevant. It proves nothing.
FOR THE RECORD MANY OF YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS BUT THE LAWYER FOR THE WTS IS NOT EVEN A WITNESS!
Thanks for sharing. This is interesting, but irrelevant.
You are very upset and defensive about this case. This leads me to guess that you are in some way close to it and must be going through a lot of emotions right now.
But everything you have stated could simply be explained as support for the fact that this woman was abused and IS telling the truth about what happened with the elders and her father, not the other way around.
Why are you so defensive and so sure that you are right? (when there is no possible way for you to be SURE?)
You could be wrong. Have you ever thought of that? You might not know everything. Radical thought, I know.
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I am sorry for posting to this thread, but I just could not help myself.
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abbagail
LisaBObeesa, don't apologize. You did an excellent job in your post. I was so tempted to do the same thing the other day, take on each point step by step, but I was just tooo tired and figured, what's the use? this Honestly-Ridiculous person is not ready to face truth. Everything you said, Lisa, is SO TRUE: Families turn on the victim, BLAMING the victim for exposing the abuse, because they all feel humiliated/shamed at either knowing the abuser or having been FOOLED by the abuser themselves, and they may feel GUILT also for not noticing or doing something about the abuse -- lotsa reason: So they collectively go into DENIAL about the whole thing. They feel SO "inconvenienced" that all this "abuse stuff" is brought out in the open and is shaking up their lives, so again they blame the victim for all these "troubles." It happens ALL THE TIME. The more Honestly rants about it, the MORE I KNOW Vicky's story is true. How can they be so BLIND? Like you wrote again and again, Lisa, IT'S THE PERVERT ABUSER WHO CAUSED THE PROBLEMS IN THE FAMILY, NOT THE VICTIM! (See, it upsets me just to think about it, so thanks for the rebuttal, point by point, writing out what I never would have been able to get out without fuming along the way.) Arrrggghhh!
Grits
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needs_lots
To all my Friends on line.
"honestly" is an imposter. he or she has misspelled several names. including his own daughter. SO HONESTLY . BE CONSTRUCTIVE AND STOP POSTING MISLEADING THREADS. AND IF THIS IS A JW PLANT YOU ARE TRUELY SICK.....
PS. THE NON JW MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY ARE SUPPORTIVE AND AS FOR THE JW SIDE THEY SEEM TO BE MORE INTERESTED IN PROTECTING A CHILD ABUSER THAN SEEKING THE TRUTH SINCE THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE ALREADY IN THE "TRUTH"...
VICKI AND SCOTT.
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wasasister
Vicky and Scott:
I don't care if "Honestly" is a member of your family or not, but thank you for clarifying. I did notice that when the personal name "Karen" was used, the poster fled.
What does matter is:
You, and other victims have a great deal of support. Some of us who have never suffered abuse as you have do have first-hand knowledge of how the elders handle these situations. Everything you have accused them of has the ring of truth.
Your courage and strength are an inspiration to victims everywhere. I can't imagine what you must be going through to face interrogation once again.
Don't let the scum of this world get to you. For every one of those low-life-abuser-protecting-smegging-pieces-of-dross, there are hundreds of others who admire and respect the stand you are taking.
There in spirit:
Wasa
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sf
Then Vicky, why don't YOU post your fathers photo? There is no threat now, right? I mean, NOT posting it, is in essence, protecting HIM (his admittance to the FACT) from other potential victims. Would'nt you agree?
sKally