People should learn more about the Bible flaws

by opusdei1972 45 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • CalebInFloroda
    CalebInFloroda

    Lorenzo,

    While I can often appreciate where you are coming from, you haven't completely gone in the opposite direction from the JWs. You tend to stick to the belief that the Scriptures were meant to be used like some sort of Magic 8 ball that has all the answers or can foretell the future like a crystal ball.

    This is something you need to learn to get rid of. While you can have a personal relationship with G-d, Christians are fooling themselves if they think that Scripture was meant to be understood and read as an individual. At least the Jewish texts were not. A critical approach to their use demonstrates that.

    The following applies at least to the purpose of the Jewish Scriptures. But this should give pause to those who believe in the New Testament due its claims of being "cut from the same cloth" as the Tanakh.

    1. Interpretation of Scripture is by public consensus, not decided by a hierarchy down. If you come up with a personal interpretation, then it may apply to you if you wish but this is not what Jews do with their Scriptures. This was mainly a Gnostic approach to written texts and adapted by Marcion of Sinope for Christians. But for the Jews and their texts, there is no “enlightened few” or “pope and his cardinals/magisterium” or “governing body.” The correct understanding is the understanding of the people at large (and where there is no universal agreement on points there is generally no recognized definitive truth about them).


    2. Prophecies are not visions of the future. Prophecies are “oracles,” pronouncements from G-d for the people of Israel. While once in a while they might include a forecast of events, this is not what a prophet normally does or what a prophecy entails. A prophecy is a statement from Heaven for public consumption (in Jewish society, that is). If a person just gets visions or foresees the future, this is not a prophet in Jewish terms. This is more correctly just a “seer.”


    3. The Book of Daniel is a story about a prophet, but not a book of prophecy. If you note in the Jewish “canon” of Scriptures, Daniel is NOT among the Prophets (Nevi’im). The book is found among the Writings instead (Ketuvim). The reason is that Daniel contains stories of visions given to either Daniel or others that Daniel interprets. But there are no public oracles or statements for the people of Israel given in the text. Daniel couldn’t do that since he lived in Babylon, and (to reiterate) a prophecy is a statement or oracle for public consumption for the Jews as a whole. Visions are limited to a single person, and an interpretation of signs and dreams is not a prophecy by the Jewish Scriptural definition.


    4. Teaching as truth the individual interpretation of Scriptural visions and prophecies of old is not allowed by Jewish Scripture, Jewish tradition, or Judaism. That is part of the worship of pagans, and Jews religious and secular avoid paganism. The finding of hidden codes or meanings in the Hebrew Scriptures is rejected as in Judaism all revelation is public.


    5. Remember the rule of Moses! (Deuteronomy 18.15) If you ever want to know if your Christian beliefs about Scripture and their interpretation about the future are correct, remember that you have to follow the pattern of Moses. Moses was given the ability to perform miracles in full view of the public, believers and non-believers. Lack of faith of the people around you should not be an impediment to working the wonders of G-d. (Compare to Jesus of Nazareth at Matthew 13.58.) Moses’ own vision of G-d was eventually shared on a public scale when the burning bush on the side of Mt. Sinai was paralleled and surpassed by the Great Theophany that the nation as a whole witnessed after the Exodus. Also the message from Moses, though at first disbelieved by many, was eventually accepted by the Jewish nation in consensus. All of these ingredients have to be present for your individual messages to be acceptable according to Jewish Scripture and interpretation.

    I'm not saying that all in Scripture is meant to be taken as fact, but I am also not saying it is just a bunch of malarkey either. It's value lies somewhere in between for those to whom it was entrusted.

    If you are going to use the book of another religion for your beliefs, then you should at least read it according to the rules of that religion. Sometimes I think Christians are so crazy for how they treat what they call the "Old Testament." It's like claiming that the writings of Dalai Lama are true but not practicing Buddhism, or like using e-meters for "auditing" but not adopting Scientology, or even claiming that a vegetarian diet is what you believe all should be eating but instead consuming bacon-cheeseburgers everyday.

  • opusdei1972
    opusdei1972
    CalebInFloroda
    CalebInFloroda

    The first time I heard about the Documentary Hypothesis was when I was receiving obligatory lectures in Theolofy I ( in the Catholic University of Peru). However, the course was not well given.
  • LorenzoSmithXVII
    LorenzoSmithXVII
    Mephis
    2 hours agoOh Lars. No. If you can overturn orthodoxy convincingly, you get tenure. In the sciences, it puts you in for a Nobel prize. In history, it takes longer to filter through but new ideas, supported by evidence, do percolate and shift prior views. (My own field has seen massive changes in accepted views since the 70s, all because one academic asked a question no-one had thought to ask before - though I'd expect the History channel not to have caught up for another 10 or 20 years yet!). Questioning is encouraged - in fact, it's part of the academic process of comparing and contrasting arguments and weighing up the evidence. And dishonesty is harshly penalised when discovered to have been intentional. One simply cannot equate religion and higher education. Although I do take the point that there can be politicisation of some things which taints research. I've seen academic papers given in one language missing critical conclusions available in others. It happens at times and says more about humans and politics than it does about higher education. The truth will out...
    Actually, I would tend to agree with you here and that is true with most other sciences, but not archaeology, which can be suppressed and easily manipulated.

    But the other sciences are hotly debated by fundamentalists. I'm amazed at some of the discussions. The fundamentalists tend to have their own scientific evidence and lots of rebuttal. So maybe we should pick a couple of general contradictions of concern and discuss those specifically.

    But truly, I can look up in the sky, see the moon, notice how beautiful it is, how round it is, and see its special lunar cycle and orbit around the Earth and I'm just amazed. To me it makes more sense that God selected the perfect moon from somewhere in the universe and brought it to the Earth and put it in Earth's orbit so that this earth would have a moon, whether than the completely insane and ridiculous idea that the moon spun out of a molten earth some distant time in the past and then ended up in this orbit somehow. Plus all the other planets in the same plane to create the zodiac? Oh no. No God just doesn't work for me. Don't get me started. Plus the claims of some science seems to be profound stupidity, not just a question. You know, sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees.

    But anyway, glad to weigh in on something specific if you want to bring it up. Just saying being more educated causes you to doubt the Bible more isn't specific enough and also isn't always true.

    ciao.

  • CalebInFloroda
    CalebInFloroda

    Opusdei,

    I find that theory (and ones similar to it) more intellectually honest and even more significant to my spiritual convictions as a Jew than the idea that the Torah was composed in a more "all-at-once" dictation-like fashion. That Torah is the product of stories told again and again, re-shaped from generation to generation until written as we have them now just as divine an act as John hearing an angel telling him what to write down in the scroll of Revelation, even more so.

    If the Jews as a people did have an encounter with a real G-d, then it would stand to reason that this revelation was entrusted to us all, not just one person at a time. When the Ten Commandments were first introduced to the nation, Torah says G-d spoke the words first before writing them down on stone. The words of G-d came to the people as a whole, not just one person or few people, and only then was it entrusted by consensus to certain agreed upon individuals later. The entire Tanakh is the faith history of a people, not a select group or magisterium or governing body. It comes from the hands of and is for all the children of Abraham and Sarah. If there was an inspiration process, why not inspire the hands of many for the many?

    It means more to me if it satisfies the whole person, not just the spiritual. It has to satisfy the curious logistics of my mind. And as a Jew I want to see it for what it is. Why wouldn't I want to use critical methods therefore to help me understand it and appreciate it more?

    To me not approaching Scripture with open eyes and every tool you've got is like forcing the Bible to fit your designs, your wants, your interpretations. That to me is building an idol: it's a false god that fits your designs, your wants and your interpretations. That just won't do.

    I appreciate Scripture for being a composite work and containing a rich tapestry of myth and legend, poetry, prayer, and yes some history. As I endeavor to do with every person, I try to accept the Tanakh for what it itself is, not what I want or think it should be.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    but not archeology, which can be suppressed and easily manipulated.

    Nonsensical bullshit tripe archaeological discoveries go through elaborate evaluation and testing by many various institutions. Not so easily manipulated as you say in truthful reality.

    Plus all the other planets in the same plane to create the zodiac?
    Another nonsensical statement based from mythological theories and ancient beliefs.

  • LorenzoSmithXVII
    LorenzoSmithXVII

    Caleb. Thanks, again, for explaining your view. But I don't think you quite understand where I'm coming from.

    You said: If you are going to use the book of another religion for your beliefs, then you should at least read it according to the rules of that religion. Sometimes I think Christians are so crazy for how they treat what they call the "Old Testament." It's like claiming that the writings of Dalai Lama are true but not practicing Buddhism, or like using e-meters for "auditing" but not adopting Scientology, or even claiming that a vegetarian diet is what you believe all should be eating but instead consuming bacon-cheeseburgers everyday.


    Okay. I'll share this. There's an astronomical text called the KTU 1.78 that dates year 12 of Akhenaten to 1375 BCE. That means his 1st year fell in 1386 BCE. Akhenaten became a monotheist and suppressor of the other gods of Egypt and thus is considered to be the pharaoh who ruled after the Exodus. But that being the case, the date of the Exodus is linked to the jubilee cycle. It's the first celebrated jubilee in a series of 70 jubilees. That is, every 490 years is ten jubilees of 49 years each. That makes up a WEEK of 490-year days. That week contains 70 jubilee periods. The Jews were to come out of exile and be restored to their homeland during the last 49 years after the "great tribulatoin" which occurs after 62 weeks into the 7th 490-year day.


    Now the jubilee cycle is fixed by 36 CE which ends a 490-year period in connection with Jesus Christ's baptism in 29 CE. But some people, particularly Jews, don't believe in Jesus. But the specific dating by astronomical text for the Exodus in 1386 BCE can be used to fix the jubilee cycle as well. Basically, since it is the first celebrated jubilee, the entire cycle of 70 jubilees would begin in 1435 BCE, which is 49 years earlier than 1386 BCE. 70 jubilees is a period of 3430 years, 70 x 49 = 3430. So we calculate down to when the 70th jubilee would end, which would be in 1996. If the 70th jubilee ends in 1996, then it began 49 years earlier, which would be 1947. So per that particular interpretation, the Jews should have come out of exile by 1947 to enjoy the final 70th jubilee. Of course, as you know, November 30, 1947 is when the UN Partition Agreement was enacted and the Jews had their own country again which they turned into the State of Israel that following Spring in 1948.


    So, if you're into chronology, like I am and the Witnesses, this tends to be very impressive to us and your view of the Scriptures becomes very impotent and irrelevant. We're beyond help here because we have demonstrated fulfillment of prophecy and chronology. As they say, "the proof is in the pudding."


    So I just wanted to share with you that I understand your position and respect your personal beliefs about the Bible, but some of us are having an entirely different and very positiv experience with scripture when he focus on prophecy and chronology.


    But I will note this in passing. I understand why anyone Jewish would take the dismissive position about the Bible that they do since they have to deny Christ and keep Judaism alive. But some of these prophecies are about the Jews, as is the 70th jubilee prophecy. So while yes, Christ is the Christ of the Jews, the Jewish nation itself in the Bible is also considered the "messiah" since through them the world is saved. That is, the messiah always comes during the 70th week. The 70th week is linked with the messiah. Thus a jubilee is like a week, it is seven days of 7 years. Thus the 70th jubilee is the 70th week, except it is 49 years long. So in that sense, the Jews became the "messiah" to the world in 1947 to fulfill the messianic 70th week.

    Just to say as a side note that while, yes, Jesus is the big deal for Christians, God's covenant with Abraham is still very much with the natural Jews, apart from what was necessary to fill 9/10ths of the kingdom with gentiles.

    In other words, the Jews don't have to really accept Christ until the millennium comes. Christ comes to them through the OT. Moschiach ben Joseph. Moshiach ben David is more of a Christ for the Christians. There rae two messiahs. Moshiach ben David is more of the Christian messiah for the Christian covenant. Messiah ben Joseph is more of the messiah for the Jews in the context of the 70th week of 49 years from 1947 to 1996.


    Both the Jewish and Christian covenants are combined though in the spiritual covenant after 1996, when the 70th jubilee ends and the 70-jubilee covenant with the Jews that began in 1435 BC ends.


    So lots and lots and lots of prophecy is being fulfilled for those who believe in prophecy and chronology. But we understand that for someone who thinks the Bible is just a book of myths, they wouldn't be impressed. But then, this understanding probably wasn't meant for them anyway and was meant for the chosen. That is, God really doesn't care if you don't think he exists or that the Bible is a book of myths because it wasn't written for you in the first place. It's a letter not written to you, so who cares what you think about it? But turns out the Bible is actually a true book of prophecy, true history, after all. Any other view at this point, is simply incorrect from my point of view.


    Thanks again for your references. ciao


  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Anther false inaccurate statement. gee

    LorenzoSmithXVII your on a role

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    There are numerous Biblical prophecies, some vaguely fulfilled, others strangely unfulfilled.

    Some Christians claim that fulfilled prophecies prove that the Bible is inerrant or even literally true. Creationists conclude it is accurate even on scientific subjects.

    This article examines various prophecies from the Bible and gives an analysis of whether or not they have been fulfilled.

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  • CalebInFloroda
    CalebInFloroda

    CALEB'S REACTIONS TO THE POSTS OF LORENZOSMITHXVII

    (Please enjoy with your favorite snack and beverage.)

    So, if you're into chronology, like I am and the Witnesses, this tends to be very impressive to us and your view of the Scriptures becomes very impotent and irrelevant. We're beyond help here because we have demonstrated fulfillment of prophecy and chronology. As they say, "the proof is in the pudding."

    You can also make tortillas out of Jell-O® Chocolate pudding mix, but that doesn’t mean you are using the mix for what it is was intended. It only means you got some pretty messed-up tortillas.

    So I just wanted to share with you that I understand your position and respect your personal beliefs about the Bible, but some of us are having an entirely different and very positive experience with scripture when we focus on prophecy and chronology.


    Having a "very different and positive experience" is also not evidence of using the Bible the way it was intended by its original authors. To illustrate: Having a very different and positive experience with a great white shark doesn't mean it won’t eat you.


    I understand why anyone Jewish would take the dismissive position about the Bible that they do since they have to deny Christ and keep Judaism alive.


    First where did you get the absurd idea that Jews are dismissive about Scripture? My praying the Sh'ma everyday or devoting my life to Biblical philology is your definition of "dismissive?"

    And second, Judaism is not "kept alive by denying Christ." That is as stupid as saying that Christians have to deny Muhammad to keep Christianity alive.


    Oh, and If you haven’t noticed, denying Christ actually does the opposite than keep Judaism alive. Denying Christ for the past 2000 years almost wiped us off the planet!

    …Jesus is the big deal for Christians…

    Now see, I didn’t know that. (Sarcasm.)


    In other words, the Jews don't have to really accept Christ until the millennium comes.

    So we just have to "kinda" accept him, is that what you're saying?

    But we understand that for someone who thinks the Bible is just a book of myths, they wouldn't be impressed. But then, this understanding probably wasn't meant for them anyway and was meant for the chosen. That is, God really doesn't care if you don't think he exists or that the Bible is a book of myths because it wasn't written for you in the first place.

    'The Bible wasn’t written for me, a Jew, in the first place. The Bible wasn’t written for me, a Jew, in the first place…'

    This truck that hit you and did this to your brain. Did someone get the license plate number?

  • LorenzoSmithXVII
    LorenzoSmithXVII

    Caleb. I know you're trying. But I'm a hopeless case, trust me. I'm a very exceptional case.

    But you have to understand, too, where I'm coming from. I mean all this time and archaeologists can't figure out when the Exodus happened, though so much point to it? Please. There are a lot of dishonest people out there with their own agendas.

    Trust me. If I went back to college I'd be the student throwing things at my incompetent professors. When I was in school I was called by one of my teachers a "smart ass" because I kept arguing with him. I used to find mistakes in the textbook and point that out. I used to find mistakes in the Watchtower and write them and they would write me back and tell me to "correct my own copy." I'm too knowledgeable and educated to think the Bible isn't true or God isn't real. I'm a hopeless case of a theist, I'm afraid. But I'm happy! I am sooo happy!

    Thanks, again, for sharing.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    The error in bible interpretation is not fully realizing that the words and moral social directions were from an ancient civilization. Trying to emulate those expressed moral standards like the WTS/JWS is redundantly harmful in these modern times.

    Of course religionists usually try and suppress knowledge outside of their own formulated knowledge, such as what is obtainable in Universities and Colleges, for outside knowledge has the potential of being dangerous to their own acquired power and control.

    Here's a synopsis of how and why Christians who adhere to the bible are indeed in reality quite hypocritical by virtue of what is written in the bible.

    Christians are hypocrites

    Christians, they love to talk about how loving, dutiful and compassionate they are, yet I have yet to meet ONE who does not practice hypocrisy to the highest degree. Their willful ignorance of the Bible combined with their two faced idealism to preach it, has made us sick, hasn’t it? For nearly two thousand years Biblicists have been lecturing people on the importance of adhering to the Bible’s teachings on ethics, manners, and morality. They quote Jesus and Paul profusely, with a liberal sprinkling of Old Testament moralism. The problem with their approach lies not only in an oft- noted failure to practice what they preach, but an equally pronounced tendency to ignore what the Bible itself, preaches. Christians practice what can only be described as “selective morality”. What they like, they cling to and shove down other’s throats; what they don’t like, they ignore vehemently. That which is palatable and acceptable is supposedly applicable to all; while that which is obnoxious, inconvenient, or self-denying is only applicable to those addressed 2,000 years ago. Their hypocrisy is so rampant that even the validity of calling oneself “Christian” is in question. I see so many people enjoy quoting the Ten Commandments, the Sermon on the Mount, and some of Paul’s sermons, but don’t even PRETEND to heed other, equally valid, maxims. I’ve mentioned pro-life and conservatism in other sermons. This one is going to sum up the rest of my beefs.

    Hypocrisy of Marital Relationships: So many Christians try to rationalize this but it is clear that a true follower of Jesus can neither divorce someone nor marry someone who is divorced. There is an exception to the rule, however. If spouse commits adultery, divorce is permissible. On the same token, the Bible also says that anyone who obtains a divorce and marries another is in adulterer. Remember that 80% of this country is Christian yet we have a 50% divorce rate. A majority of divorces are a result of irreconcilable differences, not adultery, which implies that Christians are again practicing selective morality. How many Christians are working on a second, third or fourth marriage?

    1) “So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man put asunder” (Matthew 19:6 & Mark 10:9).

    2) “Whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery” (Matthew 5:32, 19:9 & Luke 16:18).

    3) "Whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery" (Matthew 5:32).

    4) "...whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her" (Mark 10:11 & Luke 16:18), which applies to women as well (Mark 10:12).

    On to another beef: The Christian attempts to put prayer into schools run directly counter to biblical teachings. Jesus said prayer should be a private affair devoid of public display: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room (or closet.) and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret..." (Matthew 6:5-6 RSV). Biblicists violate this on a regular basis and have no intention of correcting their behavior. They demand that evolution be taken out of the curriculum. They demand parochial school receive voucher programs so that they may collect public funding. Christians continuously pray in public, IE: churches, street corners, schools, courts, etc. yet all the while they never stop to think this is in direct violation to the god they pray to.

    I, of course, know why this is voluntarily ignored. Public prayer forces the peers of school children to jump on the band wagon and pray. We are all aware that the church is simply a business which employs tactics similar to that of tobacco industries in recruiting consumers. Get the kids while they are young and vulnerable so that they become donating members of the church when they reach adulthood. I find it humorous that other businesses warn their consumers on the package that it is dangerous to one’s health while Churches don’t put warning labels on the bible for the pornography and immorality it contains. The psychological damage organized religion causes is notably prevalent. Cancer from smoking and cirrhosis from drinking is JUST AS HARMFUL as the psychosis believers develop concerning reality. The “I see demons” complex is more rampant in Christians then it is in acid dropping space cadets. I am not saying this as a joke. There are literal studies done on this topic and they are in accordance to what I am conveying here.

    Christians always use the excuse that the above mentioned verse is some how “metaphorical” yet they take Paul’s maxim that men should pray with their heads uncovered very seriously. I assume this is generally followed because removing one’s hat isn’t particularly inconvenient. "Any man who prays or prophecies with his head covered dishonors his head…" (1 Corinthians 11:4 RSV). On the other hand, Paul’s tenet that women must keep their heads covered with a veil during prayer is quite inconvenient and, for this reason, has either been rationalized away or ignored, although it is no less binding than any other moral law in the New Testament: “…but any woman who prays or prophecies with her head unveiled dishonors her head… For if a woman will not veil herself, then we should cut off her hair: but if it be disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil… Judge for yourself; is it proper for a woman to pray to God with head uncovered?” (1 Corinthians 11:5-13 RSV) The selectivity in which these verses are followed SCREAMS hypocrisy.

    More Commonly Ignored Teachings:

    1) "Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?" (l Corinthians 11:14). How many freaked out long-haired, bible thumping Jesus freaks do you know? Perhaps this is just my experience, but I can name 12 such individuals off the top of my head. Surely, you can recall at least ONE LONG-HAIRED CHRISTIAN. The stereotypical version of CHRIST HIMSELF! Think of the numerous statues and pictures Christians adore depicting the lord appearing as that which he detests. One can not stop and wonder at the absurdity of this.

    2) Another tenet clearly prohibits women from being ministers or otherwise speaking in church (“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak”-- 1 Corinthians 14:34). It’s difficult to see how Paul could support the current movement to ordain women. Why, Jesus would shit himself knowing that even I, an ATHEIST WOMAN, has managed to get herself legally ordained.

    3) A third tenet prohibits men and women from wearing each other’s clothing (“The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God”--Deuteronomy 22:5). Funny thing, two female Jehovah Witnesses came over this morning, they coffee clutched with my neighbor Jenny, a fellow Christian and ALL THREE of these women were wearing pant suits!

    4) Ever watch these Christians on television and notice how their bowed heads uniformly shake amen while some evangelist goes on and on in prayer for a fucking hour? Well, repetitious and monotonous praying is in violation of Matthew 6:7. “But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.”

    5) Christians are not supposed to take their disputes before non-Christian courts or judges. (“If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints?” -- 1 Corinthians 6:1 NIV) How interesting! Considering that state is separate from church all courts are supposedly “ungodly”. Does this stop Christians from tying up the supreme court with law suits concerning school prayer, abortion, or numerous other absurdities? Hell no it doesn’t, and my taxes are paying the fucking bill for their hypocrisy!

    6) Christian women are supposed to dress discreetly (“...that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire”--l Timothy 2:9 RSV; and “Let not yours be the outward adorning of braiding of hair, decoration of gold, and wearing of fine clothing”-- 1 Peter 3 :3). Violations of these rules are too numerous to mention. Just visualize Tammy Faye Baker’s mascara laden eyes and gold encrusted wrists.

    7) Here is perhaps the mother of verses ignored: “Judge not, that ye be not judged” (Matthew 7:1) and “Judge not, and ye shall not be judged, condemn not and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven” (Luke 6:37). I have yet to meet a Christian who has not judged my atheism. The whole world is chalk full of judges, juries, voters, employers, teachers, etc. which are all constantly judging others.

    8) Believers are supposed to hate their parents when they follow Jesus (“If any man come to me, and not hate his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sister, yet, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:26). Well, considering that Christians do not abandon their families but usually attempt to brainwash them they are all guilty of not following this verse. “It’s symbolic”, yeah, I know your lame ass defense to this one already.

    9) They are not to oppose evil (“But I say unto you, that ye resist not evil; but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also”-- Matthew 5:39). If this were followed one might just as well abolish law enforcement.

    10) Biblicists are not allowed to call anyone “father” (“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven” (Matthew 23:9). Not only is this rule ignored on a DAILY BASIS, but Catholicism uses “father” as a specific title.

    11) Christians are not supposed to plan or prepare. God will provide (“Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or that ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on... Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, not gather into barns; yet your heavenly father feedth them. Are ye not much better than they?” --Matthew 6:25-34 & Luke 12:22-31 inclusive). I see Christian conservatives plot on a daily basis how to screw their employees so they can reap more profits.

    12) Lastly, Jesus, who clearly is of greater importance than Paul, said the Old Law was to remain in force until heaven and earth passed away and all is accomplished (“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven”-Matthew 5:18-19 RSV). Heaven and earth still exist and many prophecies are not yet fulfilled. How many times have you heard some lame ass Christian say “the Old testament doesn’t matter, Jesus was the lamb and abolished it”? Don’t let them get away with this shit for even the bible says that they should still be following the Old Law.

    This verse leads me into an observation of how clear their selective morality can be exposed. Take for instance how Biblicists approach the Old Testament. They leap in and out of the Old Law like a porpoise in a ship’s wake. If they like it, they quote it; if they don’t, they won’t. Among the scores of verses they enjoy and employ are those which teach the following:

    13) Contact with mediums or wizards is forbidden (“Do not turn to mediums or wizards; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God”-- Leviticus 19:3 1 RSV, see also: Leviticus 20:6 & Deuteronomy 18: 10-12). Here’s an interesting little stat; Christians more then any other faith consult mystics and self-proclaimed oracles.

    14) People should give one-tenth of their income to the Lord, which Biblicists equate with church (“And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord’s...And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord”--Leviticus 27:30-32)

    15) Tattoos are anathema: (“You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh on account of the dead or tattoo any marks upon you. I am the Lord”--Leviticus 19:28) Despite this teaching I manage to see Mexican Catholics daily with tattoos of the Virgin Mary, Jesus or a set of praying hands on their forearms and shoulder blades.

    16) Money cannot be lent at interest to your brother, only to foreigners (Deuteronomy 23: 19-20) Ahhh, I’m recalling all the Christian banking corporations....

    17) Eating pork is forbidden (Deuteronomy 14:8). Hmm, I’ve never met a Christian who DIDN’T enjoy bacon and eggs.

    18) A man must marry and have relations with his dead brother’s wife (Deuteronomy 25:5-6). This goes without explaining of course.

    19) A seducer must marry an unengaged virgin whom he seduces (Exodus 22:16-17)

    20) A raped, unengaged virgin must marry her rapist and they can never divorce (Deuteronomy 22:28-29). What justice the “moral majority” advocates!

    21) There are several petty and silly little verses in the O.T., but none the less, they are to be followed. I guess it’s okay to disobey the lord for fashion’s sake. Beards can’t be rounded (Leviticus 19:27); A garment composed of wool and linen can’t be worn (Deuteronomy 22:11); Note: this explains why you will commonly see orthodox Jews with the long beards and black clothing. I say Christians should do this too so we can identify their stupidity upon first impression.

    22) Bastards can’t enter the Lord’s congregation. (Deuteronomy 23:2) Hey, I know this is harsh, but God commands it, hence it must be “just”.

    All of these rules are part of the Old Covenant and of equal import. Why quote the Ten Commandments and ignore other tenets? A believer’s obligation to one is no less than his obligation to all. In fact, if under the New Covenant Christians have stepped into the shoes of the Israelites and become, in effect, the new Chosen People, then they should inherit all the privileges and duties of that office. They seem to want the former but not the latter. Biblicists teach, preach, and attempt to reach others with moralism, but are not averse to selectively using that which suits their interests.

    I’d like to close this essay with how to catch a Christian in the act. When you see them expounding a verse and ignoring another, call them on it. I know what you’ll hear. They’ll say, “that’s from the Old Law and we aren’t under the Old Law anymore”. Trip them with this: “But aren’t the Ten Commandments part of the Old Law?” “Yes, but we are obligated to follow them because they are reported in the NT” (Matthew 19:16-18, Mark 10:17-19 & Luke 18:18-22). Immediately point out to them that Jesus omitted half of the Ten Commandments and invented a new one, “though shall not defraud” ! Before they can get a word in edge wise finish them off with: “According to scripture it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of law to fail” (Luke 16:17 & Matthew 5:18-19). If sin is transgression of the law, as 1 John 3:4 says, then you should be following all of the Old Law. This, from experience, is the best way to shoot down these idiots and bar them from getting away with their hypocrisy.

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