Rmember, They Walk Among Us

by metatron 31 Replies latest jw friends

  • TR
    TR

    Metatron,

    had people sneak into their houses to remove objects - and replace them
    later.

    I personally know a school teacher(now retired) that had me do security work for her on several occasions. Each visit, I sensed her to be more and more paranoid. She complained about her "ex husband" sneaking in the house and moving things around. I found no evidence of this and told her so, but she insisted.

    The last scheduled visit took the cake. She showed me a copy of a restraining order, supposedly against her ex, and said that it applied to me also! WTF?! She then accused me of making secret hand signals to the furnace repairman that was there also! Supposedly this is something professionals who make house calls do. At that point, I said "I'm outta here!" and walked out.

    BTW, she holds weekly "bible studies" and invited me to attend.

    TR

  • Reborn2002
    Reborn2002

    TR:

    I personally know a school teacher(now retired) that had me do security work for her on several occasions. Each visit, I sensed her to be more and more paranoid. She complained about her "ex husband" sneaking in the house and moving things around. I found no evidence of this and told her so, but she insisted.

    The last scheduled visit took the cake. She showed me a copy of a restraining order, supposedly against her ex, and said that it applied to me also! WTF?! She then accused me of making secret hand signals to the furnace repairman that was there also! Supposedly this is something professionals who make house calls do. At that point, I said "I'm outta here!" and walked out.

    BTW, she holds weekly "bible studies" and invited me to attend.

    HAHAHAHA! Man that sounds insane!

  • waiting
    waiting

    Howdy Met,

    Fine post.....with a lot of different situations thrown together.....but some not fitting the mold exactly.

    The legal system tries its best to figure out What Really Happened and Who Will Pay For It. They need real dead bodies, corroborating witnesses, and hard physical evidence. -met

    Agreed - that's what a Court of Law, police, etc., will determine before bringing a case. The FBI, I would assume, would also do the same.

    Otherwise, I can guarantee you old Brother Bell in the Legal Dept will roll on the floor, laughing his a$$ off hearing the phrase "Satanic Abuse" AND KNOWING - relative to his VALUE SYSTEM that such testimony isn't worth a judges time, under cross examination. - met

    Now............. some people answering this thread have put people with mental problems, whether genetic, earned through life, or just whatever, into the above quoted scenario. Not necessarily so........

    A child could be raped by a man or woman - then told that Satan really was in the room also. That person could wear a funky black outfit to make the child more appreciative of the sanctity of the rape moment. Good lord, it's not hard to find masks of all kinds of scarey beasts. The child could be beaten senseless to remind him/her of their position in the universe. And the child would probably believe, particularily if these rape/beating lessons happend on a regular basis.

    Didn't all of us believe what we NOW KNOW as illogical? Weren't you an elder teaching the rest of us this illogical, laughable, crap? Yep.......now think of your small children/grandchildren facing a ruthless man/woman who knows they're terrified of demons - and they need full control over that child - they will use whatever is necessary.

    There has been shown to be major psychological problems with some Catholic children who were raped long ago by priests. Some problems for the obvious reasons. Another problem unique to those children? They've been taught that during Mass, the priest himself took the place of God on Earth (Jesus Christ.) So.........therefore, to a child, he got raped by Jesus Christ himself. Major situation for that child to contend with. Why can we sympathize with a child thinking he was raped by Jesus.....but not by Satan? Who determines which biblical character is more laughable/believeable?

    As with any other rape told about 10/20/30 years later - almost no evidence is available. And as you stated.........the VALUE SYSTEM is stacked against the person at this time for any mention of Satan Ritual Abuse.

    Does that mean it didn't happen? No. Does that mean the person is whacked? No. A liar? No. Will that person win in a court case....at this time in history? Imho, doubtful.

    Could it have been a man/woman - or a couple of perverts - doing this "in the Name of Satan" - with them having absolutely no belief in Satan? Come on.................some of us kept our children in line with lines like that. Catholics, Baptists & fundies have kept their people in line for centuries with the fear of Hellfire.....and who resides in Hell? Satan. And these are adults....not frightened children.

    It doesn't make the person crazy. But it sometimes makes their statements unprovable & illogical from our - and the Courts - VALUE SYSTEM.

    Many issues are being thrown together is this discussion without being concise. People are being hurt.

    waiting

  • Pork Chop
    Pork Chop

    Has there been any real evidence of any Satanic Ritual Abuse anywhere? This is a serious question. It seems like every one of these things that comes up turns out not to be true in the end. There may be some verifiable cases, I just would like to know the details if that's the case. I've seen some pretty bad movies but that's about it.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Um, what evidence would you have of rape or fondling or such things 20 years after the fact? How could it be put on this board in a way that would convince anyone? The point is are we trying this case on this DB or are we going to call and find out what steps are being taken to do so in a court of law and if we can help.

    I was called a liar. Fortunately, my siblings had the same (not repressed) memories and could back up my account.

    Why not take this subject off this public board and give some consideration to this woman's feelings. Is it my imagination, or is it mostly men that post here (not all of them) that are making an issue. Why not contact Bill Bowen instead of trying to be lawyers?

  • waiting
    waiting

    To my limited knowledge - no court cases have been won against Satanic Ritual Abuse.

    Please keep in mind that during the 80's - SRA was thought to be a generational, highly organized group of Real Satan Believers. Many books on the subject *back then.*

    What I think Milly was talking about - and I agree with her - is that given a couple of ruthless perverts who want to terrify children into being deathly silent about being raped - and they know that kid strongly believes in Satan - why wouldn't they use it? Lol - as easy as killing their pet, wouldn't you say?

    Will finish later - computer guy here to finish fixing my computer. First things first, eh?

    waiting

  • Pork Chop
    Pork Chop

    blondie my question was general in nature, not refering to this particular case. As far as I know, not one case of Ritual Satanic Abuse has ever been proved. Which makes this particular claim not very credible.

    With reference to your other comment. If people want to make claims in the public arena then they don't get a pass on discussion of that claim.

    If this individual wants to go to the Law with this matter then I'm all for it. If they don't want to do that, then that says something as well.

  • RunningMan
    RunningMan

    Well said, Pork Chop. As much as I would love to believe in the most horrendous of the Society's crimes, and see them hung from the highest pole, I can't help but pause over this one. I hope that Silentlambs treats it cautiously.

    As Carl Sagan was fond of saying, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

    Assuming the story is literally true, it will require extraordinary evidence to convince a court.

  • abbagail
    abbagail

    Even though this thread was not begun in reference to Pat's account of abuse as told at the silentlambs March, some of the posts have geared in that direction. Suffering from PTSD, severe anxiety, etc. due to child rape is not the same as the types of "mental illness" evidently suffered by some of the "colorful characters" described in these posts.

    I'm with Waiting and Blondie on this one (thanks to both of you for your reasonable summations). And Blondie, soooo true I had the exact same thought last night when reading the other threads "critiquing" Pat's abuse account, i.e., my initial thought was "it looks like mostly men saying these things."

    Re: PorkChop's thoughts that just because no SRA case has ever been proved, thereby making "this particular claim not very credible" -- I don't see how the former automatically negates the latter. Many things have not as yet been proved, but that doesn't mean they are not true. And how do we know that Pat does not intend to "go to the Law with this matter"? One of the reasons for her speaking out was to plead to the two persons who were there and who witnessed the abuse, to come forward. A person has to start Somewhere.

    Call me naive, but I expected applause and support on this board for the entire SL March, rather than the complaining about not enough media coverage, criticizing the way Bill, Kim, Pat and others handled things, etc. (If there wasn't enough media coverage, maybe it's the fault of the ones complaining who did not send enough emails to media contacts in advance, etc.?) -- (And I even got an email from someone telling me they felt Laurie F.'s story was not believable. Gimme a break!) -- All yery disheartening and uncaring. Everyone wants explicit details of Pat's abuse NOW NOW NOW? Where do people get off expecting everything NOW? I was there and spoke to her several times, and even I did not think it loving or appropriate to ask her a bunch of nosey, personal questions. The "polite" thing to do is wait and when the time is right, all the GOREY DETAILS will be provided, I'm sure. Sheesh!

    OK. Enough. That's my 2 cents.
    Grits
    "Wish I was still in NY" Class

  • Sentinel
    Sentinel

    You are, of course, correct.

    However, the kicker is this. How can we really know for certain?

    We work and shop and eat and rub elbows with thieves, liars, murderers, and mentally ill people. These are the ones who can "act" normal. Could not demons do this as well? I believe so.

    Perhaps we have also sat in KH's with them as well. An organization is made up of many members. Would it not be so uncommon to believe that the right hand is not aware of what the left hand is doing?

    All I'm saying, is that evil hides itself.

    And what better place for it to hide?

    What an excellent way to control the minds of men, with a purpose in mind, that perhaps only one or two actually know.

    Then, on the other hand, if at some point and time, they dabbled into things they shouldn't have, and came upon information they should not have, perhaps this is why they give so much credit to Satan for just about everything on this earth. They seem to be paranoid about the supernatural. Something certainly does sound amiss. That is all I'm going to say right now. I don't have real proof. Just gut instinct. I know that when I was inside, all I heard about was how powerful and strong the demons were. That made me terribly afraid and uncomfortable. In some weird way, by speaking about them so much, they could be giving them honor...does that make sense?

    We all need to be careful. We need to stay balanced and alert.

    Sentinel/Karen

    Edited by - Sentinel on 30 September 2002 17:27:2

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