Was the catholic church an Enemy of scripture?

by gumby 36 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • gumby
    gumby

    Does the print in bold type remind you guys of another Organisation you can think of??????????

    Was the Catholic Church an Avowed Enemy of Scripture

    . . . Was it really fear of false doctrine that caused the Church to object to the Scriptures being in the hands of the laity? Undoubtedly there were some to whom this was a major consideration, for there were priests and bishops who were genuinely concerned for the spiritual welfare of their parishioners. For others, however, the nature of the objections suggests that there was also a fear of challenged authority. We must remember that at this time the Church's power was not only religious but also political. Dissension within the ranks threatened stability. In the Church's opposition to the population's receiving and using Scripture, Church leaders revealed contempt for the populace and a guiding fear of challenged power . . .

    The Council of Toulouse in 1229 explicitly forbade the laity from possessing the Scriptures in any language. Certain devotional books were permitted but only in Latin, not in translation.

    We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or the New Testament; unless anyone from motives of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the
    Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books.

    A church manual written in the 14th century by Jacopo Passavanti, a Dominican from Florence,
    explains another reason why Scripture is obscure. Simply stated, Scripture is not enough. Church tradition must be taught along with the basics of Scripture. The laity must receive their teaching from the Church in order to get the complete picture of what is necessary for salvation. Furthermore, there are limits regarding how deep their study of Scripture should go.

    Each Christian is bound to have some knowledge of holy scripture, and each according to the
    state and condition and rank that he holds; for in one manner should the priest and guide of
    souls know it, and in another manner the master and doctor and preacher, those who ought to
    step down into the deep sea of scripture, and know and understand the hidden mysteries.And
    in yet another manner the laity and unlettered parish priests are bound to have it, to whom it
    is sufficient to know in general the ten commandments, the articles of the faith, the
    sacraments of the Church, the sins, and ecclesiastical ordinances, the doctrine of the holy
    gospel, as far as is necessary to their salvation.

  • A Paduan
    A Paduan

    It looks as though it was a paranoid attempt to keep authority - but then again look what happened when Russell got a copy. It's more like an error in judgement about rule making.

    paduan

  • gumby
    gumby

    Paduan,

    It's more like an error in judgement about rule making.

    Once you have a group....you have rules

  • A Paduan
    A Paduan

    Always?

  • gumby
    gumby

    Alway's?

    Any organised religious group will have certain rules of beliefs. Try and find a group that will not view you different if you do not believe in the Trinity or Hellfire and a host of other doctrines. They may not kick you out.....but it will not set well with them.

    You will find they don't approve of dancing, or listening to non Christian music, or alcohol, or something. All have their little rules.....I've been there!

  • UnDisfellowshipped
    UnDisfellowshipped

    Organized Religion may have all sorts of rules and regulations.

    Look at Jesus Christ's Rules:

    1: Love God with your whole mind and soul.

    2: Love your Neighbor the same as you love yourself.

    3: Do to others what you want them to do to you.

    4: Love and Pray for your Enemies.

    5: Forgive others and you will be forgiven.

    6: Judge others and you will be judged.

    7: Do not Murder.

    8: Do not Steal.

    9: Do not lie.

    10: Honor your Parents.

    11: Do not covet other people's things.

    12: Do not hate.

    Amazingly Simple, yet Eternally Perfect.

  • UnDisfellowshipped
    UnDisfellowshipped

    However, Jesus Christ in no way condoned sin.

    HE will be the Final Judge of EVERYONE who has ever lived.

    Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 6 October 2002 4:15:19

  • Kenneson
    Kenneson

    Permit me to point out that the Council of Toulouse was local and applied only to southern France; it did not effect the whole Catholic Church because it was not an ecumenical council. The bishops of Toulouse promulgated it to deal with the Albigensians, whom they felt were twisting the Scriptures to their own ends. Once the heresy ended, the restriction was lifted. There never has been an across-the-board general prohibition against the Scriptures by the whole Church. After all, the canon of the Bible came from the Catholic Church.

  • A Paduan
    A Paduan

    "Once the heresy ended" - I can hear those words chiming about jwism - it's like I have an urge to go and ring church bells when it's over.

  • Navigator
    Navigator

    If there was no general prohibition against the scripture, why were those who began to publish the scripture in English burned at the stake? The catholic church was very much against the bible being in the hands of the common people.

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