Christmas Aint Jesus's Birthday (page 5)

Crazy151drinker

ME COMFORTER NOW MUCH SMARTER CAUSE MASTER FARKEL GIVES ME MEDS BACK. BAD FARKEL FOR TAKING COMFORTERS MEDS!!!! NO TAKE AWAY MEDS AGAIN BAD FARKEL!!! NOW ME HAVE BRAIN OF 4 YEAR OLD, ME SMART NOW!!! ME NO CELIBRATE CHRISTMASS BECAUSE COMFORTER A DRONE TO OLD FARTS IN CROOKLN. COMFORTER NO CELIBRATE BIRTHDAYS CAUSE MOMMY NEVER BOUGHT COMFORTER THE HE-MAN TOY HE WANTED. ME COME TO HERE TO POST STUPID STUFF BECUASE MY LIFE IS STUPID AND COMFORTERS BELIEFS ARE STUPID. ME KNOW BELIEFS ARE WRONG CAUSE WOLRD DID NOT END IN 1914 OR 1975 BUT ME TO STUBBORN AND STUPID TO ADMIT THIS TO MYSELF. AFRAID TO LEAVE BORG BECAUSE ME HAVE NO FRIENDS. ME COMFORTER A SAD EXCUSE FOR A PERSON AND COMFORTER SAYS THAT I AM- AS MASTER FARKEL WOULD SAY- A DIPFUCK

MegaDude

I'm glad Comforter is posting, because it shows the average JW intelligence or personality hasn't improved in over 100 years. Too bad the WT was so anti-education.

I am always amused at JW's pointing a finger at Christmas and screaming "Pagan!" Wedding rings are a custom of pagan origin, but since they are generally accepted by most people, I guess the JWs can *unpaganize* it. LOL!

Just because pagans do something doesn't necessarily make it pagan. Any pagan connotation to Christmas passed away a looooooong time ago. See if you can find anyone at your office that holds a single pagan belief about Christmas. I haven't found one yet. And I've asked.

If the Watchtower can de-paganize wedding rings, then certainly the Christian Church can de-paganize any holiday that celebrates giving and/or the birth of Christ.

As of today, the Christian connotation to Christmas is slowly disappearing away to nothing anyway. It has become a festive occasion to give a gift to people you love. That's about it.

The founder of the Watchtower, Charles Taze Russell, realized that many of the customs associated with Christmas were from pagan religions. Know what he said? He said go ahead and celebrate it anyway because "Christmas is so important." Just because the next president of the Watchtower, who was a drunk and an adulterer, decided Christmas shouldn't be celebrated is no reason to avoid this fun holiday.

Oh, using Comforter's janitorial logic, the Lord never said to celebrate babies being born by having baby showers. Oh, my. Using Jehovah's Witness logic we could say that a baby shower gives undue honor to a new baby. And yet there are presents, cake, decorations, which is nothing more than celebrating a glorified birth-day.

stichione

Thanks for replying Comforter. Now for the juicy part:

Item 1: So you want to be picky? Our Savior also didn't tell us to

-NOT to celebrate his birthday
-mark our time spent preaching on a report sheet and hand it in,
-attend 3 assemblies a year
-go out in field service on Saturday and/or Sunday
-have 5 weekly meetings
-not have transplants between 1967 and 1980
-not have vaccinations prior to 1952
-shun college/university
-not participate in extracuricular activities at school
-celebrate Mother's/Father's day
-celebrate Valentine's day
-join the boys scouts
-join the YMCA
-be a member of the Red Cross
-play professional sports
-play professional music/sing
-go to Church bazars
-shop at the Salvation Army
-become a police officer
-learn matial arts
-buy lottery tickets
-date without a shaperone
-cannot do work in a Church if it's your only customer
-work on a military base cleaning barracks or cooking
-donate blood (If we can accept about 98% of it now)
-have tattoos
-pierce body parts other than ears
-wear pants at Kingdom hall if you're a woman
-wear a tie if you're a man
-own or wear a cross
-etc etc etc
(credit goes to Shaun's)

Item 2: your point about anything clean coming from something unclean is IRRELEVANT because the Apostle Paul doesn't make that application in Romans 14:5-9 and Colossians 2:16-17 when it comes to observances and feasts, now does he? Did you actually read these scriptures? I mentionned them for a reason, not just for good looks. Could these scriptures be interpreted to actually permit the observance and celebration of Christmas? Answer honestly now.

Item 3: You're dead wrong. The meaning of Christmas HAS changed since 2,000 years ago. Do I have to remind you that originally it was used to worship the sun and now it used to observe Christ's birth? Why are you playing these mind games with yourself?

Item 4: Early Christians and ancient Jews rejected birthdays? So what? Where in the Bible is it written NOT to celebrate birthdays? Remember the two verses metionned above. Remember what the angels did when Jesus was born. Also, Job's kids celebrated their own birthdays. Check it out in Job 1:4, 13.

Item 5: Your statement about wedding rings doesn't make sense. Its a classic case of circular reasoning. Ancient wedding rings WERE religious in nature.

Item 6: Where Jesus returned in 1914 or not, the point the fellow was trying to make was that using YOUR logic which is nothing but a repitition of WTS logic, the same could be argued about 1914.

Item 7: Funny how the WTS quotes from non-Witness literature only those portions which suits it's arguments and discounts the rest.

Please try using your own mental faculties in meditating on a given subject, and stop repeating the Mantra of others. Do you have your own brain? Then use it.

Edited by - stichione on 11 October 2002 13:17:58

NeonMadman

ancient jews and early christians did not celebrate birthdays. the lord never told his followers to celebrate his birth either.

Who says they didn't? You? the Watchtower? Two of the most unreliable sources I know...

Besides, the fact that Jesus never told his followers to celebrate his birth doesn't mean that it was wrong for them to do so. The angels celebrated when Jesus was born; why shouldn't we celebrate his birth?

If that's the standard, there are a lot of things that Jesus didn't say for his followers to do:

Report time spent preaching
Print and distribute literature that "explains" the Bible
Go to five hours of meetings a week, plus preparation time
Disfellowship people for disagreeing with him
Shun their family members
Belong to an organization
Refuse the Lord's Supper to certain Christians
Let children die rather than take blood transfusions
Cover up cases of child molestation

All of these are practiced by JW's - why, since Jesus didn't say for us to do them?

LovesDubs

"Even though Christmas is not the real anniversary of our Lord's
birth, but more properly the annunciation day or the date of his human
begetting (Luke 1:28), nevertheless, since the celebration of our Lord's
birth is not a matter of divine appointment or injunction, but merely a
tribute of respect to him, it is not necessary for us to quibble
particularly about the date. We may as well join with the civilized world
in celebrating the grand event on the day which the majority celebrate -
'Christmas day.'" {WT Dec 1 1904 364}

Then...the wolves turn on each other:

1989 "In the early part of our 20th century prior to 1919, the Bible
Students, as Jehovah's Witnesses were then known, had to be released from
a form of spiritual captivity to the ideas and practices of false
religion. Although having rejected such false teachings as the Trinity and
immortal soul, they were still tainted by Babylonish practices. Many had
developed a self-righteous attitude in character development. Some were
exalting creatures, indulging in a personality cult that focused on
Charles T. Russell, the first president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract
Society. Without any Biblical basis, they were observing birthdays and
Christmas. the cross was still prominent in their thinking. Some even wore
a cross-and-crown lapel emblem, while others sought the respectability
accorded Christendom." {WT May 1 1989 3}

Being as the Society was celebrating Christmas and birthdays when Christ came in 1918 to choose the JWs as his CHOSEN ONES....just what the HELL was he thinking choosing these PAGANS?? They were in fact continuing to celebrate Christmas into the 30s.

New Eyes

I am interested in seeing any evidence that Christmas is not Jesus' birthday. Is it only because the day has significance outside of the Christian calendar?

I have only read about this in the WT published rags. Were can I find a more reliable source of info?

AjaxMan

Too bad the WT was so anti-education

The WT is still so anti-education since they cannot control thought process, Critical and Individual Thinking at Higher Education Institutions, they do it at the membership level.

Crazy151drinker

YOU ARE ALL NOT TRUE PEOPLE. DONT YOU NOW THAT DECEMBER 25 IS WIZARD OF OZ DAY??? YOU PEOPLE NEED TO WATCH WIZARD OF OZ. ME COMFORTER IN LOVE WITH DORTHEY. SHE HOT. I WRITE TO HER EVERY YEAR AND INVITE HER TO THE KH. SHE NO COME YET BUT COMFORTER NOW THAT SHE LOVE COMFORTER AND SOME DAY SHOW UP FOR DA TRUTH. WIZARD OF OZ HAS EVIL DEMONZ BUT DORTHY FIGHTS THE DEAMONZ AND GOES TO HEAVEN. DA SCARECROW IS MY BEST FRIEND AND HE SINGS A SONG HE WROTE FOR COMFORTER. IT GOES "IF I ONLY HAD A BRAIN....". WE SING IT AT THE KH ALL THE TIME.

comforter

crazy

it no wonder president bush coming after iraq. with peeps like yo living thar. LOL.

"the notion of a birthday festival was far from the ideas of the Christians of this period in general."

The History of the Christian Religion and Church, During the Three First Centuries on page 190.

Crazy151drinker

AHHH ME STARTING TO GET DUMB AGAIN! MUST FIND FARKEL MEDICINE....................

.....................................AHHHHHH WHERE IS IT!!!????...................................................

COMFORTER CANT FIND MEDICINE! MUST BE BURIED UNDER ALL THESE STUPID AWAKE MAGAZINES. COMFORTER CANT FIND NO PEOPLES TO TAKE THEM SO ME STUCK WITH ALL THIS WORTHLESS CRAP. BETHEL BASTARDS TRY TO CHARGE ME .25 CENTS FOR MAGS! COMFORTER SPENT ALL OF WELFARE CHECK ON PORN MAGS AND STRIPPERS! NO MONEY TO PAY FOR RAGS! ME IN SOOO MUCH TROULBE! THEY TAKE AWAY MICROPHONE PRIVLEGES!! MUST FIND MEDS..............................................

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