kelsey007,
The way things turned out, Mr. Bowen ended up getting quote a bit of Media Coverage of his Disfellowshipping, due to the Watchtower waiting 17+ months to DF him.
The Real Truth About Raymond V. Franz Revealed!
by bjc2012 108 Replies latest jw friends
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fjtoth
Janitor,
Where did you pick up this idea that Frank Toth was Ray Franz' secretary? I've denied it several times and you keep saying it anyway. What's up?
Frank
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fjtoth
PS to Janitor:
And where did the idea come from that I'm "starving somewhere in Canada"? That's also far from the truth.
Frank
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pbrow
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John_Mann
OP full of BS.
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villagegirl
he simply wanted to stay with the JW Organization by bcj2012
So (in under 8 million words), in comes down to: men like teams?
and organizations? and power structures? and politics, and political
parties? and governing and controlling others ? Who knew.
Ray Franz was just a man, and his deepest regret was not having had
a simple normal life and the fact he never had children. May be he
was no saint. Who among us is ? Are you? He did help thousands of
people, whether that was his intent or not. He wrote in such a way
I could hear him, and so could hundreds of thousands who escaped
this "organization". This "organization" that is worshipped even
by the men here on this forum. Its their "home team" their
Political Party, their flag, their "nation" as you put it.
Its brand loyalty. Its not worship of God or "seeking truth" its
all those other things, like joining the Army, or cheering
for your favorite football team, its what guys do.
The "organization" the very word sends a thrill up the backs
of these elders, the "Governing Body" is mentioned and they
go down on one knee, the "faithful and discreet
slave" and they are taking off their hats and bowing their heads.
"The Society" as if they "belong", and are part of something big,
something important. They are "Heiling" and "goose-stepping" to
whatever tune the Frurer, Watchtower Plays. Ray Franz did have
courage, and integrity and he saw the enemy and it was us,
the collective, the blind leading the blind.
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Listener
The opening post is just rubbish. Ray Franz never set out to be a hero or brave so the whole premise is wrong.
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Heartofaboy
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Focus
This old thread was resurrected after I pointed to it in:
At the end of the day, R.Franz eventually did what was right, and for this he is to be credited. So pernicious was the grip on him that it was evidently an enormous wrench. My last knowledge of him was 7 years before his death, and IMO his thinking was still somewhat contaminated by the Whore's propaganda; I have confirmed he very much died a Bible-loving, brainwashed Xtian, seeking fantastical explanations as to why a book of trashy fairy-tales could be true.
villagegirl, I really like your fighting spirit. Perhaps the mode of delivery could do with some review?
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Focus
("godly Hate" Class)