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by Simon 80 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • larc
    larc

    Wayne,

    I am sorry if you think I was ridiculing you. I was mad at your statements, not at you as a person, because I know you are sincere. I thank you for saying I have a "superior mind". I don't know if I do or not. I do know that if our minds are exactly equal, mine has been around longer, so I have learned a lot more than I knew at your age. Hell, I've learned a lot in the last 4 months on this board that I didn't know before.

    Anyway, Wayne, I think you are a nice guy and you show a lot of courage in coming into this group and defending your ideals.

  • larc
    larc

    Wayne,

    One other point. You said that theism should be discussed here. I agree, however the subject of discussion was not theism, but a discussion of the incidence and severity of child sexual abuse and how it should be handled.

  • Wayne
    Wayne

    Point taken.

    Your explanation is appreciated. I am hoping to find evidence of the fruitage of God's spirit lingering around here. I have. Some personal emails I have recieved hav also been kind. Anyway, I might have over reacted to what I percieved to be an over reaction on the part of others. I will try to be less thinned skinned.

    Nice to meet you too.
    Sincerely
    Wayne Michael

  • Wayne
    Wayne

    Thank you for the diagnosis Ms. Et vou? Looking forward to mixing pens with you on a friendlier note--one day! ;)

  • Wayne
    Wayne

    Hi larc

    Your original term was theism. Theism and religion are not synonymous.
    [From a position of investigating the origin of the species]

    Respectfully

  • Wayne
    Wayne

    larc

    Understood, and appreciated. I'm only 53--a youngster. I got off on the wrong foot; and somehow it was torn off. If any of you find my foot please ship it back to me Fed Ex Collect ;)~ Meanwhile, I think I'll limp around a while longer--until then.

    Wayne Michael

  • Wayne
    Wayne

    larc

    Once more, the subject was begun with vague generalities; and, unfortunately dissintegrated into flames.

    Just a point of view
    Wayne

    PS: recall Voltaire

  • Tina
    Tina

    nevermind,was going to reply to wayne,changed my mind

  • Flowerpetal
    Flowerpetal

    ANY woman needs the time I spoke of,ALL congs. are repressive to women. Your flippant remark doesn't change the hard fact of JW females and their second class status. When you get up and give a Sunday talk,become the School servant,lead in a prayer(w/ both genders present)become an elder, then tell me your cong isnt repressed.
    What I wrote were just SOME of the recovery strategies needed by ALL women leaving such a patriarchal gerontacracy-some of those worked for me,others I havent mentioned,. You dont seem to undertand a general statement from a specific one.
    Cognitive re-structuring I would add in your paticular case along with developing critical thinking skills
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    I'm sorry if you thought I was being flippant. I just don't like the idea of women allowing themselves be browbeaten by a man. If that was going on in a cong. I attended, I would leave it and let them know my reasons for leaving. In the congs I have been in, I was never given the feeling that I was being suppressed or repressed. I would not want to be an elder, a ministerial servant, a school servant, or lead in prayer with both genders present. But that's me. Giving Sunday talks requires one being an elder or ministeral servant and since I stated I don't care to be an elder or ms, there you have it. But I can still be an evangelist--and that's fine with me.

    I post on another board where there are Born-again Christians. In the area where the role of women in the "church" or congregation is concerned, they are in agreement with what the apostle Paul has stated, as JWs are.

    There was a Branch Davidian woman who posted on our board for a while--and she felt that women should just stay home and take care of their families, and leave the preaching and teaching work to men---period, because that is what she was taught.

    IMHO, JW women have more freedom within the realm of being in subjection to their husbands, as other religious groups do. And being that we are hearing more talks about how Christ treated his congregation, even giving up his life for it, and this is how Christian husbands should be treating their wives, then I say "great!!!" That's the way it should be. Some men, if they really apply the scriptures work to incorporate the manifestation of the holy spirit in their lives, will change if they were suppressive before. Others who give lip service that they are spiritual men, but really aren't, I will let Jehovah deal with them.
    One brother giving this talk, even used the scripture at Ephesians 5:21 where it states to be in subjection to one another in fear of Christ--and mentioned that it includes men and women.

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    In time the savage bull doth bear the yoke.
    Much Ado About Nothing (Shakespeare)

  • Flowerpetal
    Flowerpetal

    Tina you also said:
    Cognitive re-structuring I would add in your paticular case along with developing critical thinking skills. Tina
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    Look I am sorry that your experience as an JW has hurt you. I am not trying to be insensitive. But you don't have to strike out at me as the object of your hurt or anger. My experiences are NOT your experiences. I haven't lost my autonomy or have lost who I am. I am ME and always have been, and always will be. [>:(]

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    In time the savage bull doth bear the yoke.
    Much Ado About Nothing (Shakespeare)

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