I got a secret....
It's something about someone here.....
And that secret is .......
Sorry it's a secret so I can't tell you.....
Ok, it is that .............
This thread is really stupid!
Skeptic deja vu
by MegaDude 117 Replies latest jw friends
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Skeptic
Valis, I was going to say that if you knew what XW says behind your back....but you might already know what she said because everyone in chat treated you like shit after Dallas. I assume she told the truth about that.
Megadude and Valis, thank you for showing that post. I have been wanting to comment on it.
At the time I wrote that post, I thought XW and I were in a budding romance. I know now that she was just playing me the whole time. In his reply to that post, SixOfNine, before he editted his reply to "valour rulez", said that I had "no darling".
Knowing that, I no longer feel the guilt that I suffered from over it. That still may not make my actions on that weekend any more moral.
Edited by - Skeptic on 11 December 2002 5:22:24
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Trauma_Hound
Look it's Boy redundant, where is your Mentor Captain Obvious, boy redundant?
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Skeptic
I can't help but feel like you hit on me HARDCORE in chat when you about shoved your contact info down my throat. I avoided it for a bit, but you asked and asked and hounded me so I gave you my non-personal e-mail addy (hotmail account) and if you will notice, I never answered you.
I apologize Mr. Moe. At the time you were very depressed and as I am used to helping severely depressed people, I offered you my contact info. If memory serves me right, you either indicated...or I thought you indicated, that others would not understand your situation. I told you that I have been through so much weird shit in the last few years that I could understand anything. I apologize for coming on too strongly, that was not my intent. I was only trying to be helpful.
You come off as pathetic and groveling to say the least, and you really need to get a grip and stop comming onto the women here so strongly.
I agree, Mr. Moe. That is one thing I have learned from this.
You not a half bad looking guy, sweet enough, but stop comming on so strong. Just some advice hun, not trying to be mean.
Thank you.
Skeptic, ur nice, seriously u are. I liek you, have no issues with you other than the fact you are like a female dog in heat when it comes to looking for Ms. Right.
Yes, I agree. That is one thing I will attempt to tone down.
Richard
Edited by - Skeptic on 11 December 2002 5:45:50
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Skeptic
Prisca, thank you for understanding the intents of my posts.
That post by Skeptic where he apologises is an indication to me that the guy is a person prepared to publically apologise if he makes a mistake. So what's the harm in that?
Thank you. I am very quick to apologize. I found out later that there was no need to apologize in that instance, but I did not know that at the time I wrote it.
Also, I do try to keep my statements accurate and correct them if I am wrong.
I don't like to see people's dirty laundry aired over the board, but there is the flip side:
If you were looking for a partner, wouldn't you want to know if there was someone/s on the board that was playing with people?
If several people have been hurt, is that enough to give out a warning about someone? Certainly, if several people I could trust said that they had been hurt by a certain "player", then I would be more wary of getting too close to someone. Even if it's not in a romantic sense, it is still helpful to know if someone can be trusted, and who can't be.
EXACTLY. I would not trash my reputation otherwise.
Richard, who thanks Prisca
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Skeptic
Note for the totally clueless: I am merely responding to Heaven's post. She is not in "my sights" in any way. Heaven is completely safe from Skeptic.
Skeptic and Xenawarrior were involved. They got close, he came on strong and began talking about how much he "loved" her, then marriage, then moving to the states and different ways for him to obtain a greencard and become a citizen. Also mentioning that they wouldnt be able to divorce for a certain # of years or he would have to move back to Canada. All of this within ONE WEEK.
Well, on the second day she said "I am attracted to you, Richard". But, yeah I do come on too strong. In this case, I was encouraged.
What she did not say is that I told her to find herself an American because the Immigration issues suck bigtime. And I told her that if she finds a clone of me locally, take him over me. Long distance relationships are hell at best. But Heaven, I noticed she never told you that part of the discussion.
Heaven, here is the moral dilemma. Should I let an American woman fall madly in love with me and desperately want to marry me and then go.....oh, but darling, I cannot live with you....
Or should I say, at the time when romantic interest is new and easily stopped....do you want to know what you are getting yourself into??...here are the problems with falling for a Canadian.....
Heaven, the quickest way for an American woman to permanently be with me is a fiance Visa which takes 6 to 9 months minimum. And that is the easy route. Am I a player for telling her upfront (like on the FIRST day) or am I a player for telling her after she has madly fallen in love with me, say after several months?
A good con artist would wait to tell a lady. That way her heart is invested much more heavily into the relationship and she has more to lose. That is a standard sales trick, btw.
I tell almost every American woman who shows any romantic interest in me the disadvantanges of falling in love with me. So far, only one has dropped me for that reason. But I think they should know.
I will concede that I do come on too strong.
She has alot to lose. She has herself and her daughter to look out for. She is independant, lives comfortably and has been taken advantage of in the past.
I told her that if we lived together, I would insist on a prenup. The reason is so her assets are protected both from me and from my ex's relatives. Again, I notice you were not told that part.
I personally am concerned about this happening to other women on the board or anywhere else for that matter.
And I am concerned enough that xw will continue to play others. So, I spoke out knowing I would be trashed for doing so. However, I am one of the few on this board who can be trashed and survive it.
The women on the board who are defending him. Im sorry, I dont know you but Im wondering if he has some kind of hold on you. A collar maybe? Sorry bad joke. Who knows, maybe he has chat transcripts of personal conversations with these women and is blackmailing them.
LOL! Sorry, but Robyn isn't into BDSM.
No, I only have transcripts of XW's and my conversations, plus whatever is currently archived. I rarely keep such things, but at least in this I got smart for once. And it is obvious that I am not blackmailing XW, cause I already spilled the beans. Kinda hard to blackmail her now, isn't it?
Here is a unique thought....maybe Robyn and I are telling the truth. I can see why you would question my motives....the spurned lover thingie....but what motive would Robyn have for jumping into the fray, especially now? Maybe she believes in fighting fair. And yes, she does not approve of me exposing XW publicly. But nor does she approve of XW lying about this issue and playing the forum.
Or, It could be possible that he smooth talked them into believing that he is such a victim and has been SO hurt and XW is SO evil blah, blah, blah.
Am I the only one on this site who believes the women here are intelligent? Robyn and Xena are both way too intelligent to fall for such nonsense. As are the rest of the women on this board.
Richard
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Brummie
<keeping quiet except to say:
I am sorry for the crap you now have to put up with now and in the future over this.
Rob won't get an ounce of crap of me, she rocks! as does everyone else here.
Brummie
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Skeptic
Your right, this drama is even more nauseating than most drama, so impure it's motives.
SixOfNine, you haven't yet figured out how you were used in xw's game? *sigh*
Richard, of the thought he didn't have to warn Six in advance class
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Skeptic
XW,
This is ludicrous!!
When I contacted you, all I wanted was friendship. Yes, this is ludicrious. So why did you decide to play me?
Even more ludicrious is what you are implying about Robyn. You know you planned this in advance. So does Robyn. And you told me twice that you played me.
The point is- I never said that all of it was a lie.
Well, you did mention that I was posting 1% truth. There is not much difference between that and saying it all was a lie.
If you said or did something that I could prove or that is common knowledge and then I decided to talk about that and then added 10 other things to it that you never said or did which make you look like an a**hole??
So, are you implying that what I am saying is about 10% true now? Well, that is an improvement over 1%.
How about your statement to me that you played me? Is that a lie? How about your refusal to tell me when and how you played me because "that is not important now"? Is that a lie?
And wouldn't I be tossing some of that dirt now?
Well, you see XW, thats the thing. Thanks to my groveling and being willing to post my dirt on this forum..or to tell anyone who asks me almost anything....there is very little dirt on me that you have that others dont know. If anything at all.
So tossing dirt at me right now would be useless. Especially since so many here hate me now anyway. There is nothing on this forum that can happen to me that can be worse than what I dealt with on a daily basis in the real world for years.
Due to your popularity, anyone who wants to expose your playing ways will be completely trashed. Their reputation ruined. They have to have nothing to lose, and must be disposable. That's me.
I am hoping that this board will be kinder to the next person who speaks out. I especially hope they will be kinder to robdar.
If you'd like to jump on this bandwagon because you have decided that I'm the one you are currently mad at, so be it.Those who know Robyn know she is not like that. If you hadn't lied, she would have stayed silent. You brought this one on yourself, xw.
People know me Robyn.
And so do I and Robyn. And we know a side of you few know about.
Xena:
You know absolutely nothing about this other than what you have seen written here or that you have heard from Richard so why don't you just leave this alone? Weren't you just talking about letting it go earlier? So why are you here now?
Why are you on Xena's case? If anything, she has been good to both of us. Her remarks are perfectly reasonable and balanced.
I won't be responding to any more of this thread.
I don't blame you. Not with what I have saved and with what Robyn knows.
Richard
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Skeptic
OMG, I am responding again to Heaven! Run, Heaven, run! (That is for the complete idiots out there)
I also believe that the issue with Skeptic / Being aggressive / Talking Marriage & Greencard after one week is one that all the women here need to be made aware of. Im sure XW isnt the first and probably wont be the last.
I think they all need to be aware of it too. That is why I tell them. I am actually thinking of making a web page about it and just handing them the link.
When American falls in love with a Canadian, she will have grief. I had this radical idea that maybe I should tell them upfront before they fell in love with me. I didn't know that made me a player. Good, so next time I will court them for months, have them fall in love with me, and then spring it on them. Ah, good to know that that approach does not make me a player. (For the idiots out there, and I assume Heaven is not one of them, I just used sarcasm.)
American ladies? Guess what, your immigration laws are tough. Canadians are one of the easiest ones to get in. And here is the low down. I call this little speech "The Marriage Talk".
TN Visa: Did that to live with Windrider. If an American company hires me until a very specific job title, it is easy to get. cost is $56. Not permanent though. If I lose my job, I am sent back to Canada. That happened to me and it sucks. Also, if I want to marry an American, say Windrider, I have to return to Canada and go through the fiance Visa route.
Fiance Visa: 6-9 months to get typically. Don't know the cost. Needs a medical and a bunch of paperwork. Both parties must be either single or be divorced...with the divorce finalized BEFORE the process starts. Any problems, there is typically a 40 day delay each time you submit changes to the paperwork. Once approved, I am live with you and work in the States, but we must wed in 3 months. We must stay married at least 5 years, or I get sent back to Canada.
Green Card: Difficult to get, can take months (years?) to get. I think if I do the paperwork, the cost is $250. If you pay a firm to get you one, it is $10,000 or more. If your employer finds you extremely valuable he will get one for you. Must be renewed every ten years.
Marrying an American outside of the States and then moving to the States: I could live with you but could not work for something like 2 years.
Sponsoring: If you have a high income or lots of assets, you can sponsor me. You are financially responsible for me for ten years if I lose my job.
Getting a Job in Canada and then transferring to that companies office in the States: VERY easy to do, costs little. Lose your job and I think you go back to Canada.....
Moving to Canada: Believe it costs between $1500-3000. Needs a medical, pretty straight forward. It is fairly easy to move into Canada. Takes six months.
So, ladies when you flock to me, I recommend the fiance Visa or the Moving to Canada thingie. As you can see, it takes 6-9 months. With the fiance visa we have to live in the separate countries until approval is granted (i think).
And I haven't even touched on the problems caused by a Long Distance Relationship (LDR). Even with an hour's drive between you, it is not easy. If you are half a contentient away from me, we will not have sex in real time for months or years, not be able to hold eachother and not be able to just to things together. It can rip the heart to shreds. We will have found the perfect mate, but cannot be with them for more than brief periods of time. Those invisible lines called borders, etc. tear the heart to shreds. It is so heart-wretching to see your love across a red line but know you cannot embrace them one more time and that you will not see them for weeks or months.
Plane fares are expensive. The phone bills alone could reach $1000 per month....but if we are smart, we would use MSN to talk for free. Preferrably with cams so we can at least see each others facial expressions somewhat.
Yeah folks, that sounds like a speech that would win any lady. A speech a major player would tell a woman right away. Can't you ladies just feel the pull to run off with Skeptic now?
And yes, due to my current situation, it is simpler if I move to be with her. I do not own a home and am able to move my son to anywhere in North America. Also, I have only been here a year, so I have few ties to this area. Often others are not in a position to move. They either own a home that they do not wish to sell or cannot take their children out of state because of visitation rights issues, or have other ties due to living in one place a long time.
And before anybody gets on the bandwagon about how much of a player I am because this is so well thought out, I had to find out possiblities before I moved to be with Windrider. Plus, I have never been secretive about wanting to live in the States. Quite the opposite. Plus, I simply think about things and explore possibilities.
Now, let's cover the aspect of your rich and I am poor. Get a prenuptial agreement. That way I cannot steal your assets. And it protects your assets from people that would try to get at them when trying to get money out of me.
Do I still get some benefit from your assets? Yes, I do. If you live in a nice home and I live with you, I get the benefits of living in that nice home too. But at least I can't steal it from you.
Want to know what I recommend? That American women fall in love with another American, preferrably one that lives close by. Trust me, that will save you no end of heartache.
I just told all the ladies and men on this board what it would be like if they fell in love with me. And I haven't even approached them yet! OMG, I just played the entire board at once! What a major player I am!
Of course, if I was ethical and NOT a player, I would make certain that an American lady was madly in love with me for months before I let her know the challenges of getting me to live with her in America. (Note: sarcasm was just used again.)
The collar thing was a bad joke. Sorry. But it is the sad truth for the women involved with Skeptic. And why did Robyn get so upset by it? It is what he does right? I mean "he" says its just fine to put a collar on his woman. Obviously Robyn isnt comfortable with it, otherwise she wouldnt have gotten so upset by my mentioning it.
Heaven, are you playing games with us too? Actually, I have only collared Lee, and she isn't from this board! All the women here are not collared in any way because they are...shock!...vanilla. OMG....they arent even into BDSM. Or they are bedroom subs, which means they control their own lives outside the bedroom. Heaven, can you wrap your mind around the simple concept that maybe I could be very happy with a lady that is not into BDSM?
Heaven, that is so low. You are trying to imply there is a romantic or a BDSM relationship between me and Robyn. It just ain't so.
Richard
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