Can we really fade away for good (page 2)

Big Tex

Let 'em come. I'm not afraid and I won't run.

"I yam what I yam and that's all I yam." -- Popeye

neyank

If they call, tell them you can't talk.

If the come to your home, tell them you can't talk.

If they see you out and about, tell them you can't talk.

They have NO power over anyone that does not give them power over them.

They will do what they will do.

But we don't have to help them do it.

neyank

The WT is like an exclusive club. You were once a member. For whatever reason you have quit the club but dont want to give up the membership. What baffles me- is why would I want my name attached in any way, anywhere to an organization that I stand opposed to so much. Why would under any circumstances would I Not want my name removed from the rolls of a organization that I believe is so wrong? How could I ever live with myself or my loved ones knowing that I dishonestly did avoidance in order to not have my name removed from the rolls of such an organization- one that I expend energies on the internet speaking abusively about? In the long term how could I ever think that I am going to advantage any of my relationships by being so dishonest? I would much rather be respected for having taken an honest approach in dealing with the issue at all cost. Then I can sleep peacefully at night, look in the mirror each morning and know that I was better than they- I took the heat as an adult. It seems to me that many believe they can have their cake and eat it too. I ate my cake and walked away with a full stomach- - outlived the indegestion and found cake elsewhere....

vanilia

i wonder if its because of a deeply instilled fear of armageddon. if your names still down you will be ok, just in case it does happen.

JT

why not formally leave the org???

the reasons vary, for some they still have family in and have to deal with that so they fade

for me it is a matter of knowing WHY THE ORG WANTS YOU TO FORMALLY LEAVE

AS I have explained before the entire process of DAing is a concept and the brainchild of the Legal dept working in conjuction with the service dept - In fact the WT WANTS YOU TO WRITE THAT LETTER nothing means more to them than getting that letter, so while it may bring some personal satisfaction which is fine, it FALLS RIGHT INTO THE very purpose of what the wt wants

you see one of the society's lawyers explained to me along with 5 other bethelites one evening at our home when he came down for a sat night talk-

we had him and the wife over along with 5 other former bethelites like myself and he explained that the Legal dept needed a way to get folks out of the org, without having to hold a full blown judical meeting with 3 elders, so the legal desk knew that in some countries esp countries where the society could get into trouble to DFed a man for joining the army for example could bring the wrath of that gov down on them like a ton of bricks - yet the service dept need a way to get you out of the org and label you and have the rest of the congo treat you like dirt

so like magic they came up with this new concept back in the early 80's in fact over the years they have perfected it-

so what they did was to allow you to WRITE TO THEM instead of them writing to you-

in fact the entire concept of "LETTTER WRITING" TO JOIN AND TO LEAVE WT IS A WT CONCEPT

there is no greater fear that the wt has than to NOT KNOW YOUR STATUS, -

WHILE IT IS a personal choice , my only concern base on what i have seen is that for many they are not prepared for the fallout,, for many it is a matter of timing-

if a person is the only one in their family whose a jw, then writing a letter will have no impact, but if you are the wife of an elder, whose father is the PO and her dad is a CO and she got bro who are at bethel and sisters who are pioneers and she lives in some some town in GA, then she will have other issues to deal with and for her it becomes a matter of timing -

personally i wouldn't waste the paper or stamp, we live our lives , we will have christmas this year, i vote, i belong to all kinds of organizations, we faded with a "Twist" when they hear about us , they can do what they want, the night i turned in my Flockbook was the last time i have stepped foot in a Hall- I see no need to WRITE them anything

in view of the fact that the avg Elder is a Cheese Cracker Man, to me it amounts to writing a piss off letter to the guy who cuts the grass out in front of Enron cause you loss your stock-

Elders are the lowest flunkies in the Power totem poke,, but now if you could get an audience with JR Brown, Leon Weaver, Phillp Brumley, then go for it, but to deal with some low level flunky called a Local Elder PLEASEEEEEEEEEEE!

many who have family realize that due to the indoctrination process they still want to help try and get family out, they realize that once wt has been able to label you as DA they will not many times be able to help them, many have been able to slowly plant seeds and watch them grow where otherwise they wouldn't if they had DAed themsleves

so to somehow feel that one is "Taking a stand" by yelling at the Cheese cracker men and those who leave quietly are not is simply not true, i look back at being an elder and how i viewed and so many other elders view a jw who left

we always knew he was weak, is what they will say- to write a letter to a body of elders means nothing

as one elder told me he would perfer to sit on an Apostasy case over a sexual case, - as he put it

i know i am going up against an AGENT OF OF SATAN, were in a sex case someone just was over come by the flesh-

so they couldn't care less , the only thing is it may bring the writer some form of pleasure or relief, and if so that is fine,

the same way we all came into the wt is the same way we will all leave AT OUR OWN PACE AND OUR OWN MANNER-

there is no one shoe fits all, i just beleive that a person should be aware of all the pros and cons, so that they can decide what is best for them and their family as they leave

JT

kelsey007

all of your points are valid, but keep in mind what worked for you doesn't work for everyone - there is no one shoe fits all-

while you felt the need to contact them and ask to have your name taken off thier list ,

were me on the other hand----they can kiss the blackness on my A$$, but that is what works for me-

because of being a Society Man I have an entirely different view on the issue than you simply because of knowing what i know about the org, my old roommate at bethel probably processed your S-77 card and he knows wt is a joke, andyet he has over 20yrs at the big house, they laugh at folks out in the field many times

- they lied to me, they duped me, why do i owe them any EXPLAINATION-

people write letters for 1 of 2 reasons and sometimes for both:

1. to give themselves some form of closure

2. to let the Bro KNOW WHY

we know that is the case because many go into these long detailed listing of all wt errors a( as if they really care)

and if that is what a person needs to get on with thier life, great

but there are other like myself who don't feel a need for either one of the above

i have closure and i have no need to try and explain why to the Cheese Cracker Men, but that is what works for me

bottom line each one of us will have to determine what we need to get on with out lives and in my exp in the 7yrs on the net ----it varies as greatly as we all vary from each other-

some write letters and regret it, other write letter and love it

some fade and wish they had written letters-- other fade and could care less about a letter

we all just need to find out what works for us and by coming here to the net it allows us to get different views and determine how much is so and so sitiutaion like mine and so forth

to each his own

NameWithheld

JT my man, I like the way you think!

Cheese cracker men LOL!

Mulan

If they call, tell them you can't talk.
If the come to your home, tell them you can't talk.
If they see you out and about, tell them you can't talk.

If you do that enough times, they will assume you are refusing to meet with them, and will DA you. It happened to my niece.

kelsey007

JT thank god people are dif! I post my opinion here only to share how I feel- not to condemn others for their free choice. I admit that I am very opnionated and speak strongly on my views- but in doing so I do get responses and learn how others feel. This helps me grow- and I hope I never stop growing and learning from those who disagree with my viewpoints.

Thank you!

happyout

I faded away because A) I was baptized when I was a minor, and don't feel I should be held liable for that action and B) my immediate family are still in. I love my family, we are very close, and since I am not DF'd or DA'd, they can still socialize with me. This is even more important, because now I have a 2 year old son, and they see him all the time. Maybe they are unique in that they are not always trying to get me to come back, or trying to ram the org down my throat. Yes, sometimes they do, especially around the memorial time, or when they are having a special talk by a "Bethelite". My fade has been successful so far, although I live in the same area I grew up in, and most of the elders know where I live, no one has come by. I don't know if it's because my husband is not and never was a dub, and they don't want to do anything he may construe as negative, or if they just know me well enough to realize I won't be an easy mark. I don't really care what their reasons are for not coming, I'm just glad they don't. If they did, I would not put myself in a position where they would be able to easily "label" me, but I would not lie. If they asked me if I consider myself a witness, I may say something like, I consider myself a child of God, and I speak to him on a regular basis. I would not let them pin me down so they could stick a label on me. If some people consider that a weakness, ok, but I consider it my own strenght in making people respect me for what I am. What am I? A child of God, weren't you paying attention??

Can we really fade away for good

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