George Bush most admirable male??!!

by back2dafront 48 Replies latest jw friends

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  freeman

  George Bush most admirable male? I don't know about that.

  First let me state that I didnt want Bush elected, however when I read or hear things like Bush cheated, or Gore should be president because he won the popular vote, (and I hear that a lot) Im tempted to ask if the people making such statements are serious about what they are saying.

  However I resist doing so because if they were to convince me that they did in fact genuinely hold that belief, I would have to seriously question their intelligence, or at the least there level of awareness.

  Everyone realizes that no matter how many votes a candidate may get, it is the Electoral College votes that counts, you all know that right?

  And you realize that if a certain activist Floridian court did not try and usurp the power of the duly appointed election officials, for which they were severely chastised by the Supreme Court, then there would have been a count, perhaps an automatic recount because it was so very close, and maybe another in quick succession if one or both of the candidates requested it and if the duly appointed election officials approved it. Had that been allowed to happen, we would not have had this long drawn out affair. But that is not how it went; we did it the hard way.

  And everyone realizes that had the election process been allowed to proceed without interference, the net results would have been the same, you understand this right, you understand that no matter what happened Bush would still be president, you understand this right?

  Al Gore would have won the popular vote, which entitles him to a really cool t-shirt and commemorative coffee mug, and George Bush would have won the all important Electoral College vote which entitles him to call 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. home for a minimum of 4 years and to have all the free rides on Air Force 1 he can stand.

  So when people say such things as Bush cheated or Gore should be president because he won the popular vote, they dont really mean it, they are not stupid or ignorant of the real facts, they are just venting their frustration and anger, right?

  Thats what I thought too, thanks for clearing that up.

  Freeman ( wearing a flame retardant suit )

  Edited by - freeman on 28 December 2002 21:14:5
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  animal

  Hell, many people never heard of the Electorial College before the Gore thing.

  Animal
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  back2dafront

  My guess is that instead of coming out admitting he's wrong, he'll just let the subject die.

  that's been my experience in the past at least.

  Face up or run away, one takes balls, the other takes a lack of. Seperates the men from the boys.
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  back2dafront

  Freeman,

  Someone that has not memorized all the rules that applies to USA legislature and voting is not ignorant or unintelligent.

  If it works like you say it does, why the hell do people vote to begin with? All this time and energy goes into getting the people to vote, and their votes have no significance whatsoever?

  I'm thoroughly confused now. Just the fact that the whole system is so screwy should tell you something IMO - it shouldn't be this difficult to elect a President for pete's sake. To me it sounds like it's purposely set up to be rigged in someone's favor if it comes down to it. This is one subject I'll admit I don't understand all the deets on - I'll have to put it on the list of future studies...

  -back2dafront
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  Realist

  pettygrudger,

  aha! i didn't know there is another famous VW!
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  Reborn2002

  For any person with even a primitive level of secular education, learning about the process of the electoral college is required in grammar school.

  However, let us stick to facts.

  The application of the electoral college system is both obsolete and damning to the will of the people.

  Let's have a look at the origins of the Electoral College and it's glaring flaws.

  So no one thinks I am posting biased information, the following article provides the pros and cons of the electoral college system.

  tp://www.truthinmedia.org/Columns/Electoral-College.html

  I suggest you read and educate yourself.

  Hell, the application of the electoral college system is not even a uniform ideal. Winner-take-all electoral college votes applies in 48 states, not in Nebraska or Maine. At least have a uniform process....

  http://www.csmonitor.com/atcsmonitor/specials/wh2000/faq/faq7-8.htm

  Read up on Nebraska and Maine in the 4th question from the top.

  Also have a look at this article:

  http://www.votescount.com/books/elecoll.htm

  Bottom line :

  500,000 more individuals in this country voted for Gore. Those half a million national votes are less valuable than 537 Florida votes due to an electoral college system of allocating points to each state.

  Due to the electoral college process, one state's votes are more valuable than another (why do you think candidates spend so much time campaigning in major states i.e. New York, California, Illinois?) It is conceivable when applying the electoral college system for one candidate to carry 11 states of 50 and still win the election, but I will get to that shortly.

  Even if the popular vote is close in a state, the winner of that particular state takes all of the electoral college votes.

  Currently, a candidate needs 270 of 538 votes to win the election. Given the chart showing what each state possesses conceivably a candidate could possess 11 states of 50 and win the election:

  • California : 54 electoral college votes
  • New York : 33
  • Texas : 32
  • Florida : 25
  • Pennsylvania : 23
  • Illinois : 22
  • Ohio : 21
  • Michigan: 18
  • New Jersey : 15
  • North Carolina : 14
  • Virginia : 13

  What's wrong with this picture? The votes of people in these 11 states are more valuable than the votes of people in 39 other states? Explain that one.

  Edited by - Reborn2002 on 28 December 2002 22:25:52
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  Realist

  IMHO the US should completely change the election process. every vote should count equally and directly...not via these electorial guys.
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  Aztec

  I'm so with you Realist! I think the electoral college is a bad idea. Each vote should be counted equally.

  I learned about the electoral college in elementary school btw. It is an outdated idea at best. George Bush is an idiot whose surrounded himself with intelligent lackeys. I still remember him saying "We are on a CRUSADE against terrorism!" I am still cringing....

  Back2dafront, thanks for this most enjoyable post!!! I think you are an awesome guy. (not to mention smokin hot)

  Pettygrudger, we have got to get together sometime. You rock!

  ~Aztec
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  Aztec

  And a oh yeah! Thanks Reborn for all the links!!! Very informative....

  ~Aztec
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  freeman

  Very good links reborn, I always find your posts tend to make me think, however my point was not about the virtues of the Electoral College or lack of its merits, (I share the same view as you, lets get rid of it!) my point is about how often I hear people parroting these negative phrases about Bush, without really thinking about what they are saying. I am guilty too.

  For a fact he does bring much criticisms upon himself because he has totally mangled the English language beyond repair, however beyond that he is far from an idiot if one were to consider his accomplishments.

  I have only attended state colleges so I cant correctly gauge the difficultly in obtaining advanced degrees from Yale or Harvard, such as Bush has, but my workmate who holds two advanced degrees, one from a prestigious university, has informed me of just what an accomplishment this truly is. I take him at his word when he tells me that completing a Masters program from Harvard is quite different from state college, and is quite a significant accomplishment to say the least.

  That was my only point. I dont necessarily agree with Bush politically, and I certainly think its time to retire the Electoral College system as it has long past its usefulness.

  I just find it disturbing when I hear obviously very smart people parroting things without really thinking about what they are saying. Im guilty of it myself at times, but these days I tend to analyze things more then I once did, maybe too much. You see I was taken in by a cult and it robbed me of both years and family ties that I can never get back, so now I trust nothing, I examine everything I hear or read because if I could be so wrong about something so important, I could be wrong about almost anything.

  Sorry for the length of this post, saying more then I intended to say, obviously Im not quite healed yet.

  Freeman