George Bush most admirable male??!!

by back2dafront 48 Replies latest jw friends

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  Mulan

  No one suggested Bill Maher, or Larry King. Both are men to be admired.
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  back2dafront

  Reborn & Freeman,

  Reborn, thanks for posting that info. I'm sure I was taught about this in school, however that was years ago, and being a Witness kid, I didn't concern myself with things I didn't feel was practical, and we didn't vote, so....I was one of those "he's smart but doesn't apply himself" kids.

  Since coming out of the org, I've come to realize there's a shitload of information I don't know and need to learn. I'm preparing myself to get a degree, but I will have to fund that myself, which means making money first, which I'm in the process of doing. I do customer support work full time for a semiconductor company and am now studying to get my Real Estate license and will be working part-time w/ a local realator/broker once I pass the test. I also write music and am a DJ and am in the process of turning that into a business venture as well. I'm saying this because there are a lot of very intelligent people on this board, and a few have a tendency to criticize others that aren't as book smart as themselves, and some of us just haven't had the opportunity to gain that knowledge yet. Or maybe they just haven't retained the information taught to them in earlier years due to the fact that it has never been applicable until recently. I'll be the first to admit this of myself, and that I'm on a never-ending quest (it seems) to educate myself to the workings of this world, and if I say something that may not be 100% correct, it's easier if someone simply corrects my statements rather than insults my intelligence while doing so. I'm not saying this to attack either one of you, for I understand the nature of the comments made (freeman said he's 'guilty of this sometimes myself') ...just something for all of us to keep in mind.

  At any rate, thanks again for the info for I now have a deeper understanding on how it all works. After reading this info, I fail to see how it proves that Bush didn't cheat. How can anyone be certain that foul play wasn't involved in the votes of Florida, a Democratic state? Just curious.

  Freeman, someone not too long ago brought up the fact that Bush has a Harvard degree - I too find that admirable, but I don't see how that automatically should cause reason to put him in high esteem. There are tons of college graduates out there that don't do well in the secular world because they're 1) stuck up or 2) book smart but have no common sense. They feel this degree will automatically get them through life, and it just doesn't work that way. Wisdom and intelligence are two different things - wisdom is knowledge learned through study and life experience and thus exemplified by actions, intelligence is simply learned information. (not dictionary definitions but you catch my drift) How a person uses his intelligence is what counts, and I fail to see how Mr. Bush is putting his to best use. Still looking for someone to point this out to me - hasn't happened yet. What's he doing for the economy? The environment? Foreign policies?? ????

  Aztec,

  *blushes* One of these days I'll get around to posting a better pic.

  :-)
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  Reborn2002

  back2dafront-

  I for one have always appreciated your posts. Please do not get the impression that I was in any way attempting to belittle you. I know all too well the policies and doctrine of the WTS, which discourages the pursuit of higher education in favor of Kingdom interests. After all, in the eyes of a JW, Armaggedon is always right around the corner.

  For examples of this confirming the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses, please visit:

  http://www.quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/education.htm

  Now, as for what I said previously, my comments are directed towards those that would intend to deceive with their statements made and presented as facts but devoid of supporting argument. Once refuting evidence has been clearly shown, you notice such people abandon the thread. Spouting off biased political rhetoric at the expense of rationality irritates me thoroughly.

  Back2dafront, I for one wish you the best of luck in your secular and academic interests.

  Hope to converse more with you soon.

  Edited by - Reborn2002 on 29 December 2002 17:3:50
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  back2dafront

  right on - thanks reborn...

  it's difficult sometimes to understand who words are directed to! :-)

  I understand completely now - and know who you're referring to as well.

  how true, how true...

  :-)

  later,

  jay
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  Aztec

  Mulan, I agree with you on Bill Maher. I can't believe I forgot him.

  Not to undermine Yale or other Ivy League schools but you don't have to be intelligent to get in. If you are a legacy and your family has donated enough money you too can go! The Bush's have been going to Yale all the way back to Prescott Bush.

  A quote from Bush's commencement address to Yale in the spring of 2001:"C students---you too can become president."

  ~Aztec

  Edited to add: Freeman it's good that you investigate issues before you make a decision. That's very admirable! Looks like you learned something from your experience with the borg.

  Edited by - Aztec on 29 December 2002 17:5:31
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  Trauma_Hound

  Every one very good posts, I enjoyed them. Hmm notice Francoise hasn't responded.
  Bush is an idiot, that's very easy to see, even foreign heads of state see that.

  Edited by - Trauma_Hound on 29 December 2002 17:27:17
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  Perry

  Wow Reborn! This topic really got your dander up. I'm not sure exactly what your point was other than to show the short-comings of a representative government. And, there are many. The electoral college being just one.

  I think our founding fathers knew that a really large and diverse country would be impossible to run as a direct democracy. Direct democracies work best in small homogeneous cultures. Certain Grecian city states had a fair degree of success with a direct democracy. But even they laboured under the constant changing whims of the people.

  Rome introduced the representative form of democracy during the republic period that slowed change and lent more service to small diverse groups of citizens. Under this system smaller groups of people could make sure their voices were heard through their elected "Patron" and not get lost by the voice of the majority. However, this did add another layer of bureaucracy. And, as such increased the liklihood of corruption.

  As far as the last presindential election is concerned, both candidates conducted their campaigns according to the rules. It was the representatives of the people that they were both running for. The number of voters is a non-issue for getting elected as president. Had the rules been different, both would have campaigned differently.

  Personally, I don't see a conflict between a representaive form of government and abolishing the electoral college. We certainly have direct elections of other regional officials. The founding fathers were still a little leary of democracy and wanted this feature as a fall back position. History has shown that it really isn't necessary in my opinion.

  I loved government in school and I always thought that a lobbyist would be a really cool job. You get paid a lot of money, stay out of the public eye and get to influence our nation.

  Interesting topic.

  Edited by - Perry on 29 December 2002 21:57:21
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  Pork Chop

  The Electoral College is functioning exactly as designed. It was supposed to keep all the power out of the hands of heavily populated urban states and that's what it's doing. Who really wants the government to be run by the leftist wackos on the Left cost and the liberal, left, elitists from the North East? Long may the Electoral system continue!

  Yeah, Bush is a good president, unlike that degenerate that we just got rid of. Does anyone rally think that jackass Gore would make a good president? Anyone that thinks the internal combustion engine is the greates threat to mankind is obviously completely nuts.
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  Aztec

  Pork Chop, You are sooo wrong! I live in one of the 11 states that have the most electoral power and I'm as liberal as they come...(or as you refer to us; liberal wacko's) Oh and btw your argument is bassackwards. The electoral college gives ALL the power to the urban states.

  I didn't vote for Gore or Bush. I voted for Nader! There are more than 2 parties available you know..

  Bush is a moron btw!

  ~Aztec

  Edited by - Aztec on 30 December 2002 6:50:48

  Edited by - Aztec on 30 December 2002 7:30:5
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  Reborn2002

  Pork Chop-

  Your argument is ass backwards and sickeningly flawed. Your logic has so many holes you might as well have composed it with limburger cheese.

  The next time you feel inspired to reply to a post I recommend you analyze the facts and think with your mind instead of speaking solely from your heart. When one formulates a stance based only on emotion it is often devoid of rationality.

  That said, I suggest you learn what your talking about before you open your mouth and promptly insert your foot.

  Can you even read? Or did you not bother to educate yourself regarding the purpose and origins of the electoral college system?

  You erroneously state:

  The Electoral College is functioning exactly as designed.It was supposed to keep all the power out of the hands of heavily populated urban states and that's what it's doing.

  The electoral college system was initiated because at the time it was determined that the general populace was naive in the respect that they were incapable of voting for a candidate.

  You claim it was supposed to keep all the power out of the hands of the heavily populated states, whereas the reality of the matter is the most populated states retain the most significant power, as I stated in my previous post where 11 states electoral college votes are more influential than the other 39 states combined. A candidate need only carry those 11 states to win the election.

  You further rant:

  Who really wants the government to be run by the leftist wackos on the Left cost and the liberal, left, elitists from the North East? Long may the Electoral system continue!

  I suppose the ideologies of the stoutly conservative South are more qualified to "run the government" ? Your being a hypocrite.

  Furthermore, did it also not occur to you that at the inception of the process at the birthing of the country there were only 13 colonies, ALL located in the very "North East" you villify and condemn?

  Stupid dipshit. Go back to grammar school History class.

  Yeah, Bush is a good president, unlike that degenerate that we just got rid of. Does anyone rally think that jackass Gore would make a good president? Anyone that thinks the internal combustion engine is the greates threat to mankind is obviously completely nuts.

  Again, more biased political rhetoric spouted off by a rabid Republican with no concept of reality.

  Stick to the facts and educate yourself, then proceed to make a statement so as not to look foolish.

  Edited by - Reborn2002 on 30 December 2002 9:47:13