Rado your numbers are meaningless, you don't compare the same years, you don't break the numbers down to what was the cause of the homocide was, ie, gunshot, strangulation, knife, etc.
Edited by - Trauma_Hound on 9 January 2003 15:56:6
UK Gun Laws: Possession = 5 Years Imprisonment.
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YERU2
Rado,
Those figures have more to do with CULTURE than with GUNS, really.
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MrMoe
Rado -- Why are you so nosy about the affairs of the USA anyhow? Do you have the minority rates we do? Do you have the poverty levels we do? Let's take all things into consideration here, shall we?
Do poor migrants come to your country for freedom? Do a gross number of citizens graduate school illiterate? It isn't the guns you should be attacking, it is the lack of education and good lifestyle/standard of living. Do you have large poor housing projects in every city in every town? Do you have a gross amount of drug related crimes?
You don't live here, so why are you butting in without all the proper facts?
I agree with Yeru -- it is a culture thing.
And as TH said, what is a break down of the murder rate, can you tell me that?
Edited by - MrMoe on 9 January 2003 16:0:26
Edited by - MrMoe on 9 January 2003 16:4:4
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ignored_one
I thought Bowling for Columbine explained US gun culture rather well.
Ignored One.
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Rado Vleugel
I do agree that you have to be carefull with statistics. I agree with Winston Churchill who said: " "There are lies, damn lies and statistics."
But that doesn't take away that I hope that more countries will follow the example of the UK and the Netherlands.
Rado Vleugel
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Trauma_Hound
40 Reasons For Gun Control
Originally posted on FreeRepublic.com (conserative site, some of you may not like it), I found this as good article material with an almost satire writing style while still making valid points.
1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, & Chicago cops need guns.
2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.
3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."
4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.
5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.
6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.
7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.
8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.
9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense -- give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p.125).
10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.
11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.
12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.
13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.
14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arm" refers to the state.
15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.
16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.
17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons", but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles", because they are military weapons.
18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, finger printing, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.
19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.
20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.
21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.
22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."
23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.
24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.
25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.
26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."
27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.
28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.
29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self-defense only justifies bare hands.
30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.
31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.
32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.
33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.
34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over hand guns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.
35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self-protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.
36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.
37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.
38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.
39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.
40. Handgun Control, Inc. says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands. -
LyinEyes
I support guns for personal protection. If you are not a drug dealer, you are not a criminal, you are not part of a free for all shooting spree gang,,,,,,,, I think you can be a responsible gun owner. I live in the south and alot of folks have guns here,,,,, for hunting purposes and handguns are part of our american tradition. I know many ,almost, everyone I know has a gun that was handed down from generation to generation. They are not shooting up anyone. But I can promise you if someone came into my home to harm my family,,,,,, I would shoot them in the face without remorse,,,, whatsoever, and I would be thankful that I have the american right to bear arms under these circumtances.
There wil never be any control over criminals having guns, anymore than there will be an end to drugs. Just my thought.
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Yizuman
I hate it when liberals try to take away the right and freedom to defend property and family.
Take a case in point.....there was two different situations that happened to the men who had families whose home was burglerized.
Two men had different weapons, one had a gun and the other had a bat.
Both burglers had a gun.
One man killed the burgler with his gun.
The other man swung his bat directly at the burgler's head and split his skull, killing him.
When the cops was called and they came in the house, both men who defended their homes and families was arrested and charaged with murder. They're both in prison now.
One of the burgler's family sued the man's family (I forget which one now) and won. They're richer now and the man's family is poorer, they lost their home and everything they had to pay for the burgler's family.
In liberal controlled areas, whether it be county or state, you have lost the right to defend families and property and the criminals have more rights than you.
Yizuman
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Fe2O3Girl
Funny, living in England......
Don't own a handgun. Never worry about having to protect my home and family................
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Matty
I'm a huge fan of Michael Moore and in total agreement with what he says on this issue.