Question for SwordOfJah and other real JWs

by Realist 36 Replies latest jw friends

  • SwordOfJah
    SwordOfJah

    Realist, let me start off by apologizing for not responding sooner. My health is weak and have not been on a computer since Wednesday.

    Your question was: "Could you perhaps state all the real facts that support the idea of the GB being inspired by God?"

    That is a very good question and one to think about. In ancient times it was fairly simple to see who Jehovah chose as leaders, for example Jehovah made many miracles showing that Moses was his chosen leader for the Israelites. Today, we are guided by faith since we have all of the inspired scriptures. I don't believe that the GB is inspired by God, but they are simply instruments that he uses in order to fulfill his will. Jesus the son of God said that the good news should be preached world wide. Jehovah has made sure that his happens, for he always give clear warning before acting against humans for their horrific and wicked acts. The GB is used to simply guide his people now adays.

    In a Watchtower article it is written: " The committees of the Governing Body hold weekly meetings to review important matters, make decisions after prayerful considerations, and plan for future theocratic activity." After prayerful considerations, Jehovah does not inspire them to talk. When holy spirit is involved he will bless them on their research but will not give them word-for-word explanations .

    Another Watchtower article mentioned: " Christian experience, guidance from the Bible, and the leadings of Jehovahs spirit direct this group of anointed Witnesses to theocratic conclusions on matters of great concern to the congregation. For example, in recent years the Governing Body has followed the Scriptural procedure in clarifying such matters as the Bibles view of "ministers," the God-given conscience, the carrying of lethal weapons, and the extent to which features of Isaiahs prophecy apply to the future Paradise on earth.Compare John 14:26; 1 Corinthians 2:10."

    I think that statement answers your question. As regard to the visual proof that you ask for, I think you would have to clarify further was you expect Jehovah to show you as proof. Is faith in his inspired word not enough? Obviously someone has to take the lead in the preaching work and the GB does that. In the times of Moses, there were around 3 million Israelites, and Jehovah saw fit to organize them and Moses was their leader on earth. Although Jehovah guided him, on many aspects Moses made decisions himself. When judicial cases aroused, he would consult the law that Jehovah had given him and then made a decision. In that way, he was guided by Jehovah on every act. Now if Jehovah organized the Israelites and set up human leaders to guide them, would he not do the same now adays since were talking a lot more that 3 million followers? As we read the structures, we see that Jehovah usually follows the same pattern.

    It is interesting that the leaders in the time of Jesus also requested a visual sign as proof that he was the Messiah, but Jesus did not give them a sign. Notice how Jesus responded:

    "When evening falls, you are accustomed to say, It will be fair weather, for the sky is fire-red; and at morning, It will be wintry, rainy weather today, for the sky is fire-red, but gloomy-looking. You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but the signs of the times you cannot interpret. A wicked and adulterous generation keeps on seeking for a sign, but no sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah."Matthew 16:1-4.

    Thank you for your question and I hope I've explained myself correctly.

  • SpannerintheWorks
    SpannerintheWorks

    Realist,

    could you perhaps state all the real facts that support the idea of the GB being inspired by God?

    SwordofJah responds,

    I don't believe that the GB is inspired by God

    Done!

    Spanner

  • Buster
    Buster

    Sword,

    That took some time to write, and I appreciate the tone. But I want to point out the JW doublespeak: you start off with a resonable-sounding 'the GB aren't inspired', and then just a few paragraphs later, follow with a Watchtower snippet explaining how the holy spirit leads the FDS.

    Essentially, that quote means ' we prayed about that, and God told us to tell you this.' They obviously avoid the use of the word 'inspired', but there is no difference between that word and claiming to be under the influence of 'Jehovah's spirit' - especially since they call down destruction on all who sway from the the slightest FDS teaching.

    But back to the question (and OK, we'll use your words): any evidence/proof that "leadings of Jehovahs spirit direct this group of anointed Witnesses to theocratic conclusions?"

    (Oh, and you never explained why you wanted those excerpts from that old book from the 20's)

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Typical wt doublespeak. "No", then "Yes".

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    : could you perhaps state all the real facts that support the idea of the GB being inspired by God?

    The GB has written that they are inspired by God, so since their writings are inspired by God and their writings say they are inspired by God, they must be inspired by God.

    By the way, the terms "inspired by God," and "spirit-directed" by God are distinctions without any difference, and has been pointed out, "spirit-directed" is used to deflect from that fact for dumb little dubbies..

    Farkel

  • ashitaka
    ashitaka

    The great circle of doublespeak.

    We say we must be, so we must be.

    Well, I say that I am God, and so I must be. Please bow down and kill infants in my name......right......NOW!

    ash

  • BeelzeDub
    BeelzeDub

    SOJ said:

    I don't believe that the GB is inspired by God, but they are simply instruments that he uses in order to fulfill his will.

    Translation: We are only the instruments used by god, if were wrong, blame god, he's the one using us.

    COP OUT!

    It is interesting that the leaders in the time of Jesus also requested a visual sign as proof that he was the Messiah, but Jesus did not give them a sign.

    Translation: Jesus didn't have to prove it so we don't either because we represent Jesus.

    It is interesting how the GB raises itself to the same level of their master and place themselves in the Judgement seat that acording to scripture only Christ can claim.

    Another COP OUT! and hedging on blasphemy IMO

    Edited by - BeelzeDub on 10 January 2003 16:26:39

  • shera
    shera

    How can the GB be God's mouth peice and not be inspired?

    So the WTS is just controled by men,if you are not inspired?

    If you have no divine influence,you cannot be God's mouth peice,the words comming from the GB are just their thoughts....not Gods.

    But than you say,the WTS is learning the pure lang?How can they is they are not inspired?The WTS are not prophets,not inspired from God...hmmmmmm

    Doesn't sound like the WTS has God's divine influence at all......

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    *** it-2 413 Miracles ***PurposeinEarlyChristianCongregation. Miracles served a number of important purposes. Most basic, they helped to establish or confirm the fact that a man was receiving power and support from God. (Ex 4:1-9) Both with Moses and Jesus people drew this correct conclusion. (Ex 4:30, 31; Joh 9:17, 31-33) Through Moses, God had promised a coming prophet. Jesus miracles helped observers to identify him as that one. (De 18:18; Joh 6:14) When Christianity was young, miracles worked in conjunction with the message to help individuals to see that Go d was behind Christianity and had turned from the earlier Jewish system of things. (Heb 2:3, 4)

    And so, here again proof is needed that watchtowerism is really from god; that god has again turned from the 1700 year old catholic system to a new system. Everyone has bibles, but proof is needed that the wt bible is god ordained. Proof is needed that russel's radical biblical new agism was really from god. Proof is needed that rutherfordism, which snuffed the wierd spirituality of russelism, was really from god. Proof is needed that the wt is really god's servant, in the face of the failures of it's predictions. Proof, through a show of indisputable divine power through jw's is needed now, as much as it was necessary in jesus' day, and moses' day. Without it, dubs are just another wacko group that babbles vacuities filled w foul smelling hot air.

    SS

    Edited by - saintsatan on 10 January 2003 18:53:27

  • Realist
    Realist

    SwordofJah,

    thank you for your reply!

    several questions:

    a) what is the difference between inspired and spirit guided?

    b) what is the reason you follow the GB and not lets say the mormons...whether it is inspired or spirit guided...you have to have some convincing evidence.

    c) my original question was if there is any real evidence supporting the WT's claim of being God's channel. the problem is without sound proof one cannot say whether the WT is God's channel or not. there are about a million different religions each claiming to be God chosen. ... so what neutral evidence exists (like a fullfilled prophecy)?

    Realist

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