Episcopalians Rock!

by Robdar 22 Replies latest jw friends

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    A couple of months ago, I wrote asking this forum for information about the Episcopalians. Many of you answered and I was intrigued by your replies. I was finally able to attend a service today and enjoyed it very much. I attended high mass at St. Mary's, built in 1857. The architecture is beautiful with all these gorgeous stained windows. They even had pipe organs too. When the organist would play certain notes, the entire floor shook. It was very inspiring, not to mention alarming. The guy who invited me to attend was the usher today. After the service I was delighted by the tour he gave me of the building.

    I was allowed to take communion. This was refreshing to me because upon occasion, I have been attending an Orthodox church which has closed communion. Since I am not a member, I have had to do without. I was impressed by how inviting the Episcopalians are as compared to the Orthodox who tend to take themselves way too seriously in my opinion. Another thing, the Episcopalians used good wine, not the cheap stuff or grape juice.

    Another difference that impressed me is that the Episcopalians have 2 days a week when they prepare food to feed to the poor and homeless. They also open their doors on Saturday to allow the poor of the community to receive a bag of groceries. These people walk the walk and talk the talk of what the Savior told Christians to do. The Orthodox in my area do not. I have seen members of the Orthodox church run off people who made the mistake of asking for food. This is one of several reasons I have not joined up with the Orthodox religion. I am, however, thinking of attending adult education classes at St. Mary's. The only thing that bothers me about the church is that it teaches that there is a hell fire. Even if I hadn't been raised a JW, I would still have trouble with this archaic doctrine.

    I want to thank all of you who responded to my post several weeks ago. I hope you enjoy the web site of the church:

    http://www.stmaryskcmo.org.

    Love,

    Robyn

  • Francois
    Francois

    Which Orthodox church are you referring to? There are several you know.

    (Yeah, that communion wine is somthing else, isn't it?)

    francois

  • Kenneson
    Kenneson

    Robdar,

    The Greek Orthodox in this area are certainly outreach minded. They have been known to prepare meals for the homeless at the Shelter where I work.

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    Francois,

    I have attended a couple of them. The Greek and the American. The American descended from the Russian and were given the right to self govern when communism took over Russia.

    Oh, yeah, the wine was quite tasty. Hehe, so was the Host.

    Kenneson,

    I haven't seen any outreach here in Kansas City. But I have only attended 2 Orthodox churches. I love the ceremonies but have been put off by the behavior of some of the members and the lack of any community support. Although, they do take care of their own. Which is commendable.

    Robyn

  • Stephanus
    Stephanus

    If the Hellfire doctrine bothers you, Robdar, then ignore it. There are many "liberals" in mainstream denominations. Although that stuff is often in the official "confessions", you'll find there are many like-minded people like yourself. Just don't bring it up around those who aren't like minded with you, and you'll have no grief. I spent several years at a Brethren church where they are very strong on dispensational end-times theory. Being an amilleniallist as I am, I wouldn't have found much favour had I mentioned it. However, I saw it as a non-critical issue and determined to enjoy their fellowship and have discussions on the subjects wherein I felt they were right. As a Dub, you probably felt obligated to argue with people who held to such doctrines. The good news is: you're not a Dub anymore!

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    As a Dub, you probably felt obligated to argue with people who held to such doctrines. The good news is: you're not a Dub anymore!

    LOL and right on, Stephanus.

    I didn't argue, but I did feel my eyebrows raise up when G. mentioned hellfire. I can't understand why anybody would still believe in hell.

    Robyn

    Edited by - robdar on 19 January 2003 21:47:34

  • Gizmo
    Gizmo
    I can't understand why anybody would still believe in hell.

    You can't, really?

    How about just another means of control, trhough fear?

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    You can't, really?....How about just another means of control, trhough fear?

    Gizmo,

    I understand that. I just don't understand why anybody would let something or someone control them through the fear. Why would anybody subject themselves to that control?

    Robyn

  • Gizmo
    Gizmo

    Oh Robdar,

    Because they've been CONDITIONED to believe it's true, you were a JW right, think back, repetition for empasis, what's that all about, how many times did you hear the same dribble over and over and over again at the Hall, and if that wasn't enough at gatherings. During Dinner after Dinner, before breakfast, before witnessing, after witnessing, when you go to the toilet, after you go to the toilet.

    It's the conditioning.

  • barry
    barry

    The scolars and many members of the Episcopalian church dont beleive in hellfire but they dont make it an issue. Also the 39 articals of faith of the Episcopalians dont mention hellfire either. Barry

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