America's Illusions of Grandeur

by pettygrudger 29 Replies latest jw friends

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  Crazy151drinker

  And for those that bring up Hitler - tell me why America has let North Korea, with 4 (count em) concentration camps where on average 250,000 people go in & no-one EVER comes out go on for over a decade?!!!!

  Because a Pansy Democrat named Clinton didnt have the balls to bomb their Nuclear Facilities when he had a chance and now they have NUKES.

  There is going to be a repeat in IRAQ if we leave Saddam alone and let him have NUKES. Once Saddam gets NUKES we will not do a damn thing to him.

  WAKE UP! You complain about North Korea but yet the policies that YOU support led to the N. Korea situation. "Leave him alone, he's not hurting us, let the U.N. do its job....." They already tried that in N. Korea............
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  pettygrudger

  Did Iraq get UN approval when it invaded IRAN+Kuwait???????

  Nope - and what did we do about Kuwait? And had the UN's support if I remember rightly. Funny, neither Iran nor Kuwait are in "agreement" with the US on this issue.

  Your right this isn't 1930's Germany, but the old adage still remains "those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them".... and I think that 'just one man' can do a lot of harm.

  Interesting thing about Hitler - America was one of the countries who helped him get as large as he got, regardless of his problems with "minority" groups..

  And I think its arrogant & haughty for us to even use the above as "reasonings" for war - most countries have "learned their lessons" from the past - not just the US - and yet we think we have the right to dictate "moral conscious" all by ourselves (when it serves our political agenda)- this very thought is was is the most upsetting to me. By going against the entire global communities thinking we place ourselves "superior" to it.....this is wrong, arrogant, haughty.

  Editted to add - I'm sure I'm running out of posts for the day, so others will have to pick up where I leave off.

  Edited by - pettygrudger on 23 January 2003 13:22:20
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  Crazy151drinker

  Petty,

  Your right. We need to just fall back and hide in our shell. Instead of dealing with cancer when we find it, we'll just wait till it spreads and then try to deal with it when it threatens to kill us. Great Idea.

  Throughout your posts you make the assumption that the 'World' is making its decisions on purely moral grounds and the 'World' wants to do whats best. While at the same time you slam the U.S's policy as it is based on industrial concerns. If you look at the decisions France, the Middle East, China, etc..etc.. are making you will find that they are based on economics+political policies- NOT MORAL ones. So stop supported the countries that do the exact same thing that you acuse the U.S. of doing.

  Round and Round we go, where we stop no-body knows......

  Madness Madness Madness

  Step to the Left-Step to the Right........

  Oh just Nuke Iraq already.......
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  pettygrudger

  Your right. We need to just fall back and hide in our shell. Instead of dealing with cancer when we find it, we'll just wait till it spreads and then try to deal with it when it threatens to kill us. Great Idea

  Didn't say that - didn't say that at all. Once we have agreement of the Security Council on the UN - I say take him for everything he's got (& his little dog too!)

  I just don't believe we are "superior" to any of the countries around us, and should not expect other countries to comply with regulations/rules or an Organization that the US doesn't feel it has to answer to. Who's keeping us in check? Do you really think we shouldn't be "kept in check"? Do you really think our political structure, our big business & the very way Americans are afforded a pretty luxurious lifestyle in comparison that our attitude as a society is setting us up for a big "spanking of reality"? Do you really think America is "above all that"?

  Editted cuz I ran out of posts for the day (drats!)

  Xander said:

  2. Allies - could Germany have gotten ANYWHERE in WW2 if not for the alliance with Italy, Japan, and Russia? No one is allying with Iraq!

  Xander - you forgot the United States in that point.

  Edited by - pettygrudger on 23 January 2003 14:2:24
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  dubla

  th-

  I and other anti-bush americans, are more patriotic, then any of you bush supporters, at least we care about our country and the people in it

  some of your statements are really pathetic. so calling a bush supporter unpatriotic is better than calling someone who is anti-bush unpatriotic? and now anyone who supports bush doesnt care about our country? that must be some pretty good stuff youre smoking...pass it around man......and while youre at it, you might as well start a new thread explaining why everyone who voted for bush, or supports bush now, does not care about america.....that should be a real fun flame war to watch.

  i agree that just because someone doesnt support war, doesnt mean they are anti-american, or unpatriotic.......but how does throwing the labels right back and constant name calling make your argument look any stronger?

  aa

  Edited by - dubla on 23 January 2003 15:42:55
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  Xander

  I wonder sometimes which American city some people would like Saddam to attack before they felt the US had justification for going after him?

  Good reasoning! Damn fine! Well, you know what, *I* wonder sometimes which American city some people would like Chirac to attack before they felt the US had justificiation for going after France, damnit!

  I mean, the French have done just as much against as Iraq has! No, more even! The French have actually invaded American soil in the past! Iraq has never attacked the US or any US city, so DOWN WITH THE FRENCH!!!

  And, while we're at it, let's get the Chinese, too. And the Russians. And, and.....

  You see, it just doesn't work. If we start attacking people just because they MIGHT be a threat to us MAYBE at some point in the future....

  Well, that's the justification Hitler used with Germans to start World War II. Do you really, REALLY want to go down that road?

  used against Adolf Hitler...after all he was just 'one man'

  C'mon, DE, that's bullshit and you know it. Hitler could not have gotten NEARLY as far as he did if he did not have a LOT of things Saddam doesn't have:

  1. Charisma - like it or not, Hitler was charismatic and had the support of almost all the German people. Saddam does NOT
  2. Intelligence - in war, at least, Hitler was an above average tacticial. Saddam has proven he is most certainly not.
  3. Allies - could Germany have gotten ANYWHERE in WW2 if not for the alliance with Italy, Japan, and Russia? No one is allying with Iraq!

  You may as well be saying 'That argument could be used against SATAN! And SATAN was just one man, and look what he did to humanity!' It would be just as valid a comparison (IE., completely groundless).
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  heathen

  I kinda liked it when the muslims were fighting each other myself . It was a time when they really didn't have the time or resources to bother with countries over seas . I kinda think the US was hoping that Iraq would use the chem and bio weapons against Iran in a more devestating way but now that Sadam went after a bigger piece of the pie in Kuwait they consider his acts of agression to be dangerous to americans and the world . I gotta laugh at this hahahahahhahahahahahaahhah . The foriegn policy is run by a bunch of incompetent fools . It is so remenicent of WW 11 when germany took over poland and everyone sat around like nothing mattered .
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  Farkel

  Petty,

  : He has also said we're going with or without the citizen's of America's support.

  When and where did he say that?

  Farkel
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  pettygrudger

  Farkel - it was a blurb on one of the news channels yesterday (and I honestly can't remember which one) where they were discussing the decline in the polls regarding Americans wanting to go to war. Bush's representative was saying that polls don't really matter to the president - that it didn't matter what the "polls" said or how low his "popularity" was diminishing - Bush was going to make sure Sadam followed UN resolutions/sanctions.
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  Trauma_Hound

  some of your statements are really pathetic. so calling a bush supporter unpatriotic is better than calling someone who is anti-bush unpatriotic? and now anyone who supports bush doesnt care about our country? that must be some pretty good stuff youre smoking...pass it around man......and while youre at it, you might as well start a new thread explaining why everyone who voted for bush, or supports bush now, does not care about america.....that should be a real fun flame war to watch.

  i agree that just because someone doesnt support war, doesnt mean they are anti-american, or unpatriotic.......but how does throwing the labels right back and constant name calling make your argument look any stronger?

  It's funny, when bush supporters say the same thing about anti-bush supporters, they can't take it when it's thrown back in they're face, the man doesn't care what the american people want, is that patriotic?