A Plan to Stop Gun Violence

by Crazy151drinker 52 Replies latest jw friends

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek
    Legalize all drugs. I assume that is for everyone, everywhere. What a ludicrous suggestion!

    I don't think that was anyone's suggestion. I think the suggestion was to legalise and regulate the sale of drugs to informed consenting adults who would be held responsible for their own actions.

    "Good morning, Sir, how can I help you?"

    "Er... bread, milk, a dozen eggs, 500 worth of heroin, two dozen syringes and half a kilo of cocaine for the wife.

    How is that any different from buying twenty smokes and a six-pack with your groceries? (Apart from the exaggerated quantities in your example, obviously)

    Oh, yeah, and is Lucille available for the afternoon?"

    I'm not sure why you brought prostitution into this. But i'm in favour of legalising that too, and taking away another source of income from organised crime.

    Is that the sad, depraved world you wish for?

    A world where I have the right to do whatever I want to my own body, as long as I don't violate anyone else's rights? Yes, that's the kind of world I wish for every day.

    P.S. Drugs are highly addictive, by the way!

    All drugs, or just the ones you don't use? Are you in favour of banning alcohol, nicotine and caffeine? Or are you just opposed to drugs that happen to currently be illegal? Or do you think there's something fundamentally different about drugs such as marijuana, ecstacy or cocaine (none of which is "highly addictive")?

    Incidentally, here's an excellent article in favour of the legalisation of heroin.

  • SpannerintheWorks
    SpannerintheWorks

    To those who are in favour of increasing the usage of hard drugs: Why?

    Spanner

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    Spanner,

    First of all you make the assumption that drug use would go up. That is incorrect. Ask Vivamus about that. Consumption of drugs remains the same, why??? Because the same people who are doing drugs when its legal where the ones who were doing it because it was illegal. Do you smoke??? Smoking is legal and I dont smoke! Just because its legal does not mean people are going to do it. Secondly, drugs are ILLEGAL and guess what, people still buy them!! There is NO difference between me going into 7-11 and buying some coke and me going into buy 2 Cases of Beer. BOTH are DRUGS. ALCOHOL (yes its LEGAL) kills 17,000 people a year in Drunk Driving Crashes ALONE, that does not include liver disease and all the other wonderfull conditions of Alcohol Addiction. Cigarettes kill 500,000 a year IN THE U.S!! Lets not even try to include the Billions of cigarettes we export to other countries (yes! We the U.S. are DRUG DEALERS).

    So please explain to me again your point??? What drugs are bad??? Yes they are. That doesnt stop anyone from doing it, just like speed limits do not stop people from speeding.

    The funny thing is that DRUG DEALERS and CARTELS that kill THOUSANDS of people every year and are invovled in a full blown REVOLUTION in Columbia that has forced Millions of people into Poverty- THEY AGREE WITH YOU!! THEY DONT WANT DRUGS TO BE LEGAL EITHER! Good Job! Side with the Drug Dealers!!!

    Spanner, Please explain to me how the current war on Drugs is different from Prohibition. If Prohibition didnt work why do you think the war on drugs will? Why has it been a total FAILURE for the past 40 YEARS????

    Spanner, you will not see the usage of drugs decrease, why?? They Have not DECREASED in the Past 30 YEARS. All of the money and time we have put in "dont do drugs" has not worked.

    Its TIME to do something different!

    Why did I add guns to the mix??? Simple, you have to apease the right or it will never work. And besides, the vast majority of murders (especially here in California) are gang/drug related. You get rid of the drugs, you get rid of alot of murders. As far as "adding guns to the mix" HELLO they are already in the MIX! You dont think gang members have guns?? You think current gun laws prevent gang members from using guns?? HELLO they are allready Selling DRUGS which is ILLEGAL why in the Hell would they stop and say "Well I better not use this gun its Illegal"?????? WAKE UP.

    And this whole "they'll just find another crime to commit"- BULLSHIT. People sell drugs becuase they are lazy and STUPID. It makes alot of $$$$$$$$$$$. Other types of illegal activity are not as profitable and take BRAINS to pull off. And the real kicker is- They are all ready doing it. How can you sit here and say "Drugs are bad, I hate drugs, but dont legalize them because I dont want some ex-dealer to steal my car....."

    South American Terrorists??? What do you call the current cartels or the FARC who go around BUCHERING women and Children so they can control the drug trade. GET RID of the PROFIT and get rid of the CARTELS.

    People, you need to stop looking at the drug problem as some form of Social+Moral problem and realize that it is a BUSINESS and to defeat it you need to treat it as such.

  • truthseeker1
    truthseeker1

    Crazy:

    "Do you smoke??? Smoking is legal and I dont smoke! Just because its legal does not mean people are going to do it."

    Well, I do remember seeing you with that smoke a week ago....

    Everyone:

    Drug money supports terrorism also, so if you don't support legalizing drugs, you want the drug money to front terrorist attacks, which makes you a terrorist.

    Edited by - truthseeker1 on 28 January 2003 12:0:32

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    To those who are in favour of increasing the usage of hard drugs: Why?

    No one here is in favour of increasing the usage of hard drugs. You mistakenly believe that legalization will increase usage. Holland is a perfect example that disproves this belief.

    A more appropiate question would be: To those who are in favor of keeping the current system that has done nothing to decrease drugs use, gives gangs motivation to kill people, treats the victims as problems, does not provide treatment, pays for the Columiban REVOLUTION, forces non-violent criminals to mandetory federal sentencing allowing VIOLENT criminals to be paroled, and is a Prohibition wanna-be and ABSOLUTE FAILURE: Why? (cause Nancy told you they were bad..???)

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    Truth-

    I didnt inhale LOL

  • Xander
    Xander

    My observation is that one of this poor man's problems, alchohol, is legal. The other isn't. For the life of me, I can't see that giving him two legal addictions is going to help him in the least

    Why is is society's responsibility to care?

    I'm not interested in helping HIM per se - this one individual. It's society AS A WHOLE that this would help.

    Would legallizing drugs cause some people to lose it and their life spin out of control into oblivion? Oh, I'm sure it would. Same as does alcohol. And tobacco. Yes, a few might be hurt by this. But, what is the net effect? Crime is reduced! (Look what happened when alcohol prohibition was ended - it's not like the cause and effect are in question)

    Does not the needs of the many outweigh the good of the one?

  • SpannerintheWorks
    SpannerintheWorks

    Crazy,

    ALCOHOL (yes its LEGAL) kills 17,000 people a year in Drunk Driving Crashes ALONE, that does not include liver disease and all the other wonderfull conditions of Alcohol Addiction. Cigarettes kill 500,000 a year IN THE U.S!!

    Hmmm...you mean feeble drugs like alcohol and cigarettes kill thousands and thousands of people every year, eh? And as you say,

    they are legal. Doesn't that give you a clue as to how many people would die if powerful drugs like LSD and heroin were legal?

    Spanner

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    Spanner,

    Once again you PRESUME that by legalizing drugs consumption would increase and in reality, this is not the case. It stays the same. Alcohol use did not Decrease in Prohibition-people just found another source of booze (ie the Mob). Holland is a perfect example. Many types of drugs are not only legal, but they sell them and tax them. You can walk into a 7-11 and buy Shrooms. Common American perception would be -"Oh My! The crime they must have with all those druggies!!" But that perception is false. Holland's crime rate is EXTREMELY low.

    Which leads to: If consumption will not increase, why are drugs illegal??

  • VeniceIT
    VeniceIT

    Ok here's my take on some of this, I think you all have interesting and valid points. I'm really torn on these issues.

    I dont' think guns kill people......but they do help. (hahha sorry bad joke)

    To me I think legalizing drugs and taxing them sounds like an interesting plan, works with cigs and alchol, but how can you garuntee that these people who have been running cartels and murdering people will pay the taxes?????

    I don't think you can gaurentee that it will stop the violence. The violence does not come from the need to sell drugs. It's about POWER, CONTROL and Greed. take away the drug money and they'll just look for something else to control, maybe find something worse like child prostition or child porn or something. It's like treating cancer with a bandaid the ROOT of the violence needs to be stopped the anger and control and fight for power that has been going on for thousands of years and this is the latest outlet.

    Besides I think the govt's are involved the drug trade anyway

    Whether more people would do drugs?? I don't know. I think the drinking age should be dropped myself simply because the only people NOT drinking under 21 are the responsible ones who aren't gonna be drinking and driving. All those idiots are drinking anyway, all it does is stop a decent person for having a nice glass of Cab with their lasagna (no I'm not bitter). I mean you can kill yourself with ciggys, vote, and die for your country but no Mimosa's at a Sunday brunch??? What's wrong with this picture????

    And if drugs are legal what will the kids do to rebel???? I mean know they're gonna have to 'think' of something sheesh that's just cruel hahaha

    Ven

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