So what should we do about countries that murder their civilians and starve them to death??
Actually United States Policy is generally to turn a blind eye unless that country directly opposes the USA. Do you know how many dictators we have set up? How many DEMOCRATICALLY elected officials we have offed because they didn't jive with a United states world view...here are a couple incase you are unfamilar.
1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran. U.S. installs Shah as dictator.
1954: U.S. overthrows democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatemala. 200,000 civilians killed.
1963: U.S. backs assination of South Vietnamese President Diem
September 11, 1973: U.S. stages coup in Chile. Democratically elected president Salvador Allende assassinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed. 5,000 Chileans murdered.
1982 : U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.
1983 : White House secretly gives Iran weapons to help them kill Iraqis.
1989 : CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington. U.S. invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000 Panamanian civilian casualties
1990 : Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from the U.S.
1991 : U.S. enters Iraq. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.
According to you, we should do nothing but sit on our ass because it is none of our business.
Since when does pacificm equate doing nothing? I am anti-war, not pro-Hussien. The guy is an idiot. An idiot who is now doubt buiding himself an aresenal. Does he pose a direct threat to the United States? Nope. Not yet. Will he ever? Nope, not a direct threat. Iraq does not have missle capablity to hit the United States or Europe. (Please Check Weapons Inspector Data) If he gives said weapons to terrorist groups--tho ties have not yet been firmly established--he is unlikely to do this by the way since he has never gotten along with Al Queda (please check your history) and he would be stringing himself up. I think Hussien just wants to survive. He knows better than to do this. Do I want this dictator disarmed. Sure I do. We should take back the weapons we gave him in the 80's. They are ours after all.
And YES the world is asking us to be the Cop.
Have you asked the world? How many World Newspapers do you read? Just curious.
The REASONS we HAVE NUKES is because we needed a WEAPON to END WWII that started because a bunch of PACIFIST ISOLATIONALISTS let Hitler Storm his ass around EUROPE. WAKE UP!! PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE REASON WE HAVE NUKES IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Actually you do remember that the United States wanted nothing to do with WWII right? The war was going on for a long time and being faught by a lot of countries before the United States decided to finaly throw in their two cents on the matter. It was only after Pearl Harbor that the United States took an interest. By that point several hundreds of thousands of jews had died in concentration camps.
but hey why should we care lets just sit under our little rock and pout because its none of our business.......
Actually the media and the United States governement are notrious for only making it our bussiness when there is something to be gained by direct American involvement.
So Xander, what happens if we let Saddam or Kim II get some nukes??
Again, please keep up with weapons inspectors reports because it is VERY unlikely anyone would give weapons grade plutonium to Iraq. And even if they did, the facillities do not exisit. These roving labs that Powell was talking about would not be able to build nuclear weapons. You need a big ass plant to build those bad boys. Other weapons sure, but not nuclear.
And Kim Jong Il already has nukes. The first half this thread said as much.
They could invade whatever country they wanted 2 without fear because we wouldnt do a damn thing about it.
North Korea has said plenty of times they don't want to invade. Iraq has also made no such claims of "invasion". North Korea is a nation of walking skeletons. They have no natural resources and nothing to trade. People are starving and trying to escape from their own country so they can get food. Who would they invade? They are not talking about invasion. So far they just feel threatened and want to protect themselves from the American government that has labeled them an "axis of evil". If I hear through the grapevine that a big bully said I was the spawn of satan and they were going to kick my ass, I might consider getting a gun. Am I right in doing this? Not really. I know little about guns and would probably just hurt myself. Does this mean I am going to go to my Neighbors house and take it over because I now have a gun? Nope. My beef is with the bully who I heard thinks I am the spawn of satan.
I am not agreeing with Xander. I disagree on quite a few points with him. I just felt the holes in your post Crazy151 needed addressing. I'm not trying to pick on you, it's just sentiments I have read over and over again from several people and I felt like they needed addressing.
Back to the topic of this thread. If we are talking Weapons of Mass Destruction, and being fearful as to who has what...North Korea has already said "Look we have weapons, we're not afraid to use them" they are also a desperate nation in need of raw materials and money. Not to mention they have an egotistical dicator who believes he is a "son of god" (yes his dad was god) and that means he is not afraid to deal his nuclear weapons to terrorists in order to get more money. The ties to terrorisim are much more obvious with North Korea. They have already lent out weapons. Now they have just fired up the old plutonium plants.
North Korea is by far the bigger threat. But sadly they don't have oil. Since the united states will need to pull in more oil in order to run efficently as the years progress it is in their best interest to take over an oil rich region like Iraq. And that's why it has troops stationed in Iraq, and it is willing to negotiate with North Korea (because it really doesn't want North Korea to give out nukes either, but it also don't want to occupy a worthless dried out land with no visible wealth).
