murders at school

by zeb 69 Replies latest jw friends

  • Simon
    Simon

    There is no way that tighter gun control laws are going to happen at the same time the democrats are openly defending MS13 gang members and completely undermining law and order through sanctuary cities and such like or creating another paramilitary band of thugs.

    No one in America in their right mind would give up their guns right now.

    If the left genuinely care about gun violence then they need to promote a society where guns are not seen to be a necessary thing to own to protect people's family, lives and possessions.

    The left has been unable to do this in cities it has complete control over, so why does anyone imagine they can come up with something that could possibly work at a national level.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    at the same time the democrats are openly defending MS13 gang members

    Really ?

    Is the problem really related either to the left or right political spectrum ?

    The answer to this kind of gun violence might not be guns themselves but the psychology behind the use of guns in these terrible acts at schools

    We learn what we see and enact within human social behavior and awareness

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    The left has been unable to do this in cities it has complete control over, so why does anyone imagine they can come up with something that could possibly work at a national level -



  • FedUpJW
    FedUpJW

    Quite possibly until this country has a majority of Democrats in the House of Representatives & Congress - responsible gun legislation will not be passed.

    So why didn't they, when they DID have the majority plus the White House? And don't trot out the "conservatives obstructed them" garbage. They managed to shove Ă˜bama-care down the country's throat. If they could do that, they could have set up "responsible" gun laws, as if the NEXT law is the one that will be the magic button to make criminals obey the law.

  • truth_b_known
    truth_b_known

    A 17 year old gets his father's revolver (6 round capacity) and short-barreled shotgun (2 round capacity), plants numerous Improvised Explosive Devices (i.e. "pipe bombs"), goes to school, and Murders students as well as a teacher. He intentionally spares the lives of students he likes because he wants them to "Tell his story." His story, as told in his confession to authorities, is that he was suicidal due to being bullied by teachers and students, but couldn't bring himself to taking his own life.

    Current laws broken by this incident -

    1. No one anywhere in the United States of America is permitted to purchase or possess any type of firearm under the age of 17.

    2. Allowing a loaded firearm to be accessible to a minor is prohibited by law.

    3. A short-barrel shotgun requires a tax stamp from the BATFE. This was an unregistered short-barreled shotgun. In additional, the shotgun was purchased legally, but altered to it's illegal length after purchase. That is also illegal to due.

    4. Firearms are not permitted on a public school campuses.

    5. Manufacture, possession, and use of explosive devices is prohibited by state and federal law without proper permits.

    6. Murder is illegal.

    Please forgive me for being absolutely baffled how someone can come to a logical and reasonable to conclusion that we need "sensible gun laws" to prevent these tragedies. Items 1-4, and 6 are all current firearms laws on the books by the federal government and/or Texas statute. Murder is probably the oldest prohibition known to man and codified. Yet, it has never prevented a single Murder.

    Then take item #5. Change the narrative. What if this 17 year old planted these IEDs and successfully cooked a few of the off Murdering untold dozens of students. What commons sense gun laws would you demand then?

    "Common sense gun laws" is code for "Get rid of all the guns and Murder goes away."

    Here's what's needed to address the issue -

    1. Swallow the hard pill that you can never completely prevent Murder from happening.

    2. Stop obsessing over the inanimate objects used to commit these tragedies and put practices in place to make such incidents more difficult.

    3. Study the psychological profile of every prior mass murder in a school and use it to identify potential mass murderers prior to them committing these crimes.

    4. Figure our why kids want to go to school and Murder their classmates. This has been going on for 20 years. What has happened in the past 20 years that started this? Why was this not happening since 1999?

  • humbled
    humbled
    4. Figure our why kids want to go to school and Murder their classmates. This has been going on for 20 years. What has happened in the past 20 years that started this? Why was this not happening since 1999?

    Every thing you said rings true, truth_b_known. But l highlighted the last part because l think it is the biggest problem of all.

  • OrphanCrow
    OrphanCrow

    The media needs to stop making these incidents into living room entertainment

    The young people who are susceptible to suicidal and murderous thoughts are only being encouraged to join the celebrity status of those they are imitating

    The less attention these shootings get, the less likelihood of copycat behavior. Attention is attention whether negative or positive and that is what these kids are seeking. They want to be heard and the media is feeding their desire

    Forget gun control. The media needs to put a stop to making these horrific events into a circus. They are responsible for spreading this contagious disease. That is the first thing that needs to happen

  • stillin
    stillin

    Thank you, truth b known. You said it more eloquently than I could have. We have all of the laws already. Now we need to find some sort of early warning. Relatives and acquaintances of those on the edge should be aware and NOT restrain from making the call

  • mentalclarity
    mentalclarity

    "Relatives and acquaintances of those on the edge should be aware and NOT restrain from making the call"

    This. There should be some sort of campaign on alerting authorities and what behavior would warrant that. Kids should be able to anonymously report things they see on each other's social media without feeling they are being "snitches". I agree that there are signs and red flags long before the shootings that should be taken seriously.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    The variable elements of a society that markets gun violence in video games, movies and television, that also has an enormous amount of fire arms in the possession of the general population, has relevant consequential results.

    Who will be the next bullied, unloved and abused school student to take revenge, the United States is full of these kids/teens in its public and private teaching institutions ?


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