VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter 271 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  jwposter

  For those that don't believe you could see the moon that morning of May 4th in -511 (512 B.C.E), the moon was illuminated 3% with a magnitude of -5.17 which is clearly in the visible range.

  The 2nd month in -567 was illuminated 0.9% on first crescent at evening observance on May 21st with a Magnitude of -4.18.

  In other words, the moon was more visible during their morning observation for the 2nd month in -511 then the evening observance was in -567. Again, this is why the moon would have been thick in -511 when the evening observance came.
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  Jeffro

  the moon was illuminated 3% with a magnitude of -5.17 which is clearly in the visible range.

  This is definitely not in the visible range after sunrise, and it’s not the time of day indicated in the observation anyway.

  The 2nd month in -567 was illuminated 0.9% on first crescent at evening observance on May 21st with a Magnitude of -4.18. … In other words, the moon was more visible during their morning observation for the 2nd month in -511 then the evening observance was in -567.

  21 May wasn’t in the second month. The new month started when they noticed the new crescent (when it was thick), which was on 22 May. It wasn’t observable at only 0.9%.

  I already provided the correct details for the correct days. Why are you now repeating details for the next morning for your chronology (which would not be observable after sunrise anyway) but the previous morning for the correct chronology (which I already provided)?

  Please just stop.
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  jwposter

  Now the timeline of Jesus Death and Resurrection is important in this timeline.

  The Birth of Jesus was in 3 BC and the Death and Resurrection was in 31 AD. This is important because a few things intersect at the time in the year of the Resurrection. We have to have correlation to the 70 AD destruction, correlation to the Jubilees, correlation to the 70 weeks Prophecy and correlation to the Festivals and to the Exodus timeline. While it is highly disputed one when the year of the resurrection and the Birth of Jesus was it really shouldn't be when we analyze the data.

  Jesus was born during the Feast of Lights in 3 BC. And was crucified on the Jewish day beginning on March 25th (Julian) of 31 AD. We have a lot of good evidence for these dates.
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  Jeffro

  Our tedious ’friend’ will likely object because the month did technically start on the evening of 21 May if using modern methods of identifying new moons. At the time, in the 6th century BCE, determination of the new month was based on observation. 0.9% was not observable.

  His claims about visibility of the moon in his alternative days in 512BCE remain incorrect either way.
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  Jeffro

  jwposter:

  The Birth of Jesus was in 3 BC and the Death and Resurrection was in 31 AD. This is important because a few things intersect at the time in the year of the Resurrection. We have to have correlation to the 70 AD destruction, correlation to the Jubilees, correlation to the 70 weeks Prophecy and correlation to the Festivals and to the Exodus timeline. While it is highly disputed one when the year of the resurrection and the Birth of Jesus was it really shouldn't be when we analyze the data.
  Jesus was born during the Feast of Lights in 3 BC. And was crucified on the Jewish day beginning on March 25th (Julian) of 31 AD. We have a lot of good evidence for these dates.

  You’re just asserting years that ‘fit’ your numerology. We don’t ‘have to’ ‘correlate things with jubilees’ at all; that’s just you fallaciously assuming your conclusion. There’s no evidence of a resurrection at all. Aside from that, Jesus would more likely have been born in 4 BCE (though the contradictory stories of his birth and early life aren’t particularly reliable sources) and died 30 CE.
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  jwposter

  So the 70 weeks are 10 Jubilees periods that at the end of the 70 years of captivity and lead to Christ. Of course, the 70 years of captivity started in 530 B.C.E and would have been ended in 460 B.C.E. That year was the year in which the 70th Jubilee would be heralded. (Very fitting). Then from there we go 490 years unto 31 AD where the next Jubilee is declared - 80th. Of course if you count Jubilee from there to the 120th in 1991 then you will see were in the last cycle before the 2nd Coming when the Lord destroys the Ungodly which is very terrorizing event that is going to set the earth on fire.

  2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

  2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

  But that day cannot really come until Secularism rises to its climax on earth where mankind sees itself as God and uses its practices to promote what it believes is best for man with a forward rejection of all that is religion but not without first using religion to prune out those elements holding unto more orthodox positions.
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  jwposter

  Clement of Alexandria quoted the year of Jesus birth very well with saying that it was 194 years, 1 month, and 13 days before the death of Commodus.

  We know that Jesus death was in 31 AD because that is the 1st year of the 40 years to the Destruction of the 2nd Temple by the Romans. That destruction and 40 years also serving the type for those that follow Bible Typology.
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  Jeffro

  Good grief. You're just doubling down on your nonsense that assumes your conclusions. Just stop.

  Clement of Alexandria quoted the year of Jesus birth very well with saying that it was 194 years, 1 month, and 13 days before the death of Commodus.

  So? Clement, a Christian theologian, relies on Christian traditions that had developed up until his time. But putting Jesus' birth in 3BC would be after Herod's death, and the story breaks anyway. The date Clement assigns is one of various suggested dates by early so-called 'Christian fathers', because they actually didn't know the date. This is just more 'Texas sharp shooter' nonsense.

  We know that Jesus death was in 31 AD because that is the 1st year of the 40 years to the Destruction of the 2nd Temple by the Romans. That destruction and 40 years also serving the type for those that follow Bible Typology.

  Aside from this being superstitious nonsense at its core, it's obviously wrong if you're going by this 'typology' drivel, because 27 March 31 CE to 30 August 70 CE is less than a full 40 years anyway. You would need to start from 30 CE to fulfil 40 years by the time the temple was destroyed.
  

  The traditional date of Jesus' death in the 'gospels' is unverifiable, and rooted in superstition to connect it to Jewish tradition about the Passover. We don't know the actual date of Jesus' death at all. But based on the traditional dating, he would have more likely died on 7 April 30 CE.
  
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  jwposter

  Of course we now know that Herod's dating of his death to 4 BC is in error. As the dating of the death is based on the reigning years and death of his son Phillip as indicated in the works of Josephus. However, the earlier works base the death of Phillip in the 22nd year of Tiberius instead of the 20th year of Tiberius thus moving the years forward.

  We know that he died after the lunar eclipse of Jan 10th in 1 B.C.E according to Josephus. This aligns with the early Church Historians that put his death in the time of 3 B.C.E.
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  Jeffro

  jwposter:

  Of course we now know that Herod's dating of his death to 4 BC is in error.

  No, you just 'need' it to be 'in error' for your superstitious nonsense. But I've already demonstrated that your nonsense is thoroughly wrong all over the place from start to finish. And instead of dealing with any of the problems, you just bumble along to the next dumb assertion.

  We know that he died after the lunar eclipse of Jan 10th in 1 B.C.E according to Josephus.

  The eclipse in question was 13 March 4 BCE.

  Please go away.