by Kosonen 543 Replies latest jw friends
"The story of Eve and the serpent, and of Noah and his ark, drops to a level with the Arabian Tales, without the merit of being entertaining, and the account of men living to eight and nine hundred years becomes as fabulous as the immortality of the giants of the Mythology."
- Thomas Paine
Could Jehovah God abandon his original purpose with mankind?
Hi kosonen
Jehovah actually already did. In the beginning, according to the scriptures, man's place was on Earth...but after a series of unfortunate events and errors and their subsequent correction, he allows human beings into heaven... people like Paul and the other apostles...those who were selected at Pentecost...was this God's original plan? I don't think so. This was all part of God's "correction". Paul and everyone else would never, as far as we know, have been allowed into heaven had things remained as originally planned as there wouldn't have been a reason for it to begin with. There's also nothing in the scriptures that would indicate that those going to heaven are ever coming back to Earth, it's their permanent dwelling. Again, this wasn't the original plan.
I would argue that there are more scriptures alluding to mankind residing in "heaven" rather than on Earth in the future.
Jesus says to the congregation in Philadelphia:
Revelation 3:8 …And I know that you have a little power, and you kept my word and did not prove false to my name.
10 Because you kept the word about my endurance, I will also keep you from the hour of test, which is to come upon the entire inhabited earth, to put to the test those dwelling on the earth.
The congregation in Philadelphia had apparently suffered a lot, but not given up. And Jesus remarked that they had worn out much of their power.
Jesus says to the congregation in Laodicea:
Revelation 3:16 So because you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am going to vomit you out of my mouth. 17 Because you say, “I am rich and have acquired riches and do not need anything at all,” but you do not know that you are miserable and pitiful and poor and blind and naked.
Apparently the Laodiceans felt themselves relaxed and secure, as do many prosperous people. And they were apparently spiritually lazy.
"At its essence, 'Groundhog Day' is an existential journey of an unhappy, judgmental, slightly narcissistic, misogynistic, dissatisfied, aspirational, entitled, privileged male who has to learn to be the opposite of all those things to find happiness - to learn that learning is important and that you don't get to control everything."
- Tim Minchin
LOL!
Queequeg, you have your work cut out for you, don't you?
Hi Leathercrop, I have no problem with the possibility to enter the heaven, to join the crowds of God’s holy angels and to be united with God’s onlybegotten son Jesus Christ in heaven and see Jehovah God and hear him speak from his majestic throne.
But we must understand the purpose of the heavenly calling. It’s not just to come to a new exotic place, but to form a temporary 1000 year government to govern mankind, because mankind needs a perfect government until the whole mankind has matured in righteousness to the extent that they don’t need any supervisors anymore.
Revelation 5:9 And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”
Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood— 6 and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.
Revelation 20:6 Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years.
Daniel 2:44 “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever,
Daniel 7:27 “‘And the kingdom and the rulership and the grandeur of the kingdoms under all the heavens were given to the people who are the holy ones of the Supreme One.
"I smoke pot because I want to go to heaven before I die."
- Andy Warhol
I am confused, Kosonen. I hope you realize that even though this probably comes across like an attack, I have read your comments on here and they are contradicting.
You have stated:
I believe that Jesus is still the head of the congregation of Jehovah's witnesses.
But you have also made it clear that you were disfellowshipped from the JWs because you took a stand because you disagreed with some of their teachings.
You continue to more or less present Watchtower theology to us here on this thread and quote their New World Translation.
Therefore, following your own logic, this would mean that Jesus has formally rejected you because his religion, the Jehovah's Witnesses, formally dispelled you from their midst.
Why? Because you disagreed with Jesus and his teachings that came from his religion, as you claim above.
You cannot have it both ways. Either Jesus is the head of the religion that disfellowshipped you and you should go back and stop associating with exJWs, or Jesus is not the head of that religion and you are just lying to yourself--and you find that too painful to admit to yourself.
In fact, it sounds like you find both options to painful to admit to yourself, that you rejected Jesus' teachings and Jesus therefore rejected you and now you are out in the darkness or you were just in a false religion all the time and you are playing their false teachings again and again around in your head like a vinyl recording with a skip in it that you won't fix.
Either way, you are in a paradox of rejection.
This is why the folks on here are teasing you, if you are not aware. They aren't really making fun of the Bible or religion itself, per se--I mean, they are in a way, but it's based on your brand of religion which is still the Watchtower. It is your brand of "Encouraging Scriptures" that you try to offer each day in immitation of the Daily Text that the Watchtower has tried to pull off for its followers.
What you are doing is a painful cycling of self-service, not for others but trying to convince yourself that you are some sort of enlightened or spirit guided spring of spiritual knowledge, borrowing teachings from the Watchtower and spreading these to others. You didn't come up with any of this. You won't even use a different version of the Bible.
A ministry should be for the aid of what other people need, learning their needs first and then meeting that need, not deciding for yourself first what that need is and then telling people "This is what you need so here, take it!" like what you have been doing.
People started to ask you serious questions, which you just ignored. Then teasing questions. (Then some debates between people started.) Then then teasing of continued because you are in your own self-centered world.
You still just go on ignoring other people. All you do is quote texts.
You are just serving yourself.
Go back to the Watchtower if you still believe in it.
Or admit to yourself that it is what it is.
But you are on a fence. We all see it. And this "daily text" thing you do, is just something you are doing to satisfy your own ego. It's very sad...and a little funny. But mostly sad.
I believe that Jesus is still the head of the congregation of Jehovah's witnesses.
And if that congregation disfellowshipped you for you saying it taught wrong things, then that means you don't believe Jesus is the head of that congregation.
So why should we believe any of what you are saying here? Doesn't that make you a hypocrite?
PioneerSchmioneer, that was excellent!!!
