Do you know of any church that KNOWS God? (page 2)

the-MadJW

enoughisenough: Truly read your Bible and PRAY!

stan livedeath

Cofty

"Thanks but as far as I'm aware I don't have a website."

maybe he thinks you're Cedars

jhine

Enough may l ask what are the lies of the mainstream churches and what do you listen to / watch on YouTube that is different?

Jan

Cofty posted: "Far better to take all the time you want to really dig deeply and learn all the things about the bible, faith and science that you have been denied previously. There are many people here who can help you with all the questions you might be wrestling with. Don't 'jump out of the frying pan into the fire'.

Great advice, there's so much research on biblical topics now available that you'll never be able to absorb it all.

Clearly, I've reasoned my way to where I now stand, so maybe some may like some suggestions.

If you want more information about Xtianity after the first century, go to your local libraries and try to find a copy of Bart Ehrman's "After the New Testament: A reader in Early Christianity." Of course, the committed christians among us XJW's may decry Ehrman, but I think you'll find that book helpful. Just remember that in the rather loose organisational structures of the early church there wasn't always much structured thinking. Educated people in the early congregations wrote what they were thinking as they were influenced by ideas then current.

Another book in my library is Daniel Boyarin's, "The Jewish Gospel: The Story of the Jewish Christ." I wont comment on that book, except to say that you may be delighted at the information and arguments he presents.

If I have a favourite in this category of books, it would have to be Geza Vermes, "Christian Beginnings: From Nazareth to Nicaea. Ad 30-325." Vermes provides us with a wonderfully drawn picture of the world in which xtianity started. You may already know that from a human (ours) viewpoint, the character we call Jesus was only one among others who were claiming to present divine information. One was Honi-Onias, he started preaching a number of decades before Jesus. Another was Hanina ben Dosa, a contemporary of Jesus and also from Galilee. Both were seen as Elijah-like prophets for their claimed ability to make it rain. Hanina was also celebrated as a healer and with the ability to create wonders.

Finally, in my library, I have a copy of Allen Brent's, "A Political History of Early Christianity." I found this book tough reading, but interesting because Brent examines. the political influences on early christianity, that made it what it is today.

All these authors have spent years studying, likely as much as Freddy F.

No longer chained to WT theology, I explored them and drew my own conclusions.

Why not do the same,

enoughisenough

When I was a kid, before I ever heard about a JW, I knew that Jesus wasn't God almighty. Even if one were to find a church around here that teaches Jesus is the son of God rather than God himself, they still celebrate the lie of xmas being his birthday. Jesus told the Samaritan woman that God was to be worshipped in spirit and in TRUTH. There isn't any "truth" in xmas. If you are going to waste time in lies, you just as well stay pimo and have your friends and family around. No wonder some become atheist or agnostics. Here is another lie the churches teach-the good go to heaven when they die. A preacher told Mom my little brother went to heaven in the smoke of the housefire that killed him A Baptist preacher who knew my 18 year old brother who had been an ornery kid all his life preached to the crowd that this brother who was killed in a car wreck had gone to hell. ( unless he had changed his ways and as far as the preacher knew from 3 days back, he hadn't.) Then there was the grand father-in-law who was a drunk and woman chaser who was a marvelous Christian and was in heaven-according to the preacher at the last "worldly" funeral I ever went to....If I want lies, I will go back to KH! I watch some exjw experiences on youtube to see what caused them to wake up and how they handled it, but when they start in on how they discovered Jesus is Almighty God himself--I just look for something else.

Sea Breeze

When I was a kid, before I ever heard about a JW, I knew that Jesus wasn't God almighty.

With all due respect, do you think that basing your beliefs on childish reasoning is wise? I wasn't on board with the deity of Christ when I accepted Christs' new covenant - "for the forgiveness of sins".

I just stood on the scripture that plainly stated that all power had been given him in heaven and earth. I reasoned, that if I made a deal with Jesus, it would be good everywhere based on that verse.

So, a person doesn't need to have everything worked out to start associating with bible-believing Christians. There is MUCH common ground to get started with.

enoughisenough

Sea Breeze, I take your point. I base my beliefs on what I read from the Bible...I have a friend of a Christian religion and she is fed up with it because of what she knows isn't correct in it. I could go to a local church but I wouldn't be popular because I would want to say, "No, your mother isn't in heaven because the resurrection is on the last day and we haven't seen it yet."

Do you know of any church that KNOWS God?

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