NO SUPPORT FOR EXJWS DRAFTED IN UKRAINE

by raymond frantz 37 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • raymond frantz
    raymond frantz

    https://youtu.be/UlAn2hhaGz8?si=JpedZunzb5o_6axd

    Here’s a cautionary tale for anyone counting on past ties with Jehovah’s Witnesses to dodge conscription: they’ll throw you under the bus faster than you can say “conscientious objector.” A man in Ukraine learned this the hard way after refusing military service and hoping his old religious connections would save him. Spoiler alert—they didn’t. Despite his claims of religious objection, the Rozhyshche district court slapped him with an 18-month prison sentence for evading mobilization.
    Here’s how it went down: The man had been part of Jehovah’s Witnesses since childhood but got kicked out in March 2022 for breaking some rules. Since then, he’s been trying to get back in—attending meetings and following the group’s rules—but the elders weren’t having it. During his court hearing, he argued that his religious beliefs should exempt him from military service and requested an alternative, non-military assignment. But when asked for proof of his faith, he came up empty-handed. According to the court documents, “The TCC employee offered him to provide evidence confirming his religious beliefs, but the man did not provide them.” His past didn’t matter, and neither did his current efforts to rejoin. As far as the court was concerned, he wasn’t a Witness when it counted, so his “religious” excuse fell flat.
    Even with five witnesses backing him up—including a congregation elder who admitted the guy had been attending meetings—his past violations were enough to keep him out of the fold. The elder testified, “For the past six months, he often attends meetings, expresses his desire to return; however, based on the significance of his violations and the specific circumstances concerning the accused, the elders of the congregation have not yet resolved the issue of his return.” So, because he wasn’t officially reinstated, his objections didn’t carry any weight in court.
    Governments like Ukraine recognize Jehovah’s Witnesses as legitimate conscientious objectors because of their long-standing history of non-participation in war, but that recognition doesn’t extend to ex-members or those in the doghouse with their elders. This guy found out the hard way that religious exemption isn’t a blanket protection—it’s more like a club membership that can be revoked at any time by a few elders and a piece of paper. Miss enough meetings or break a few rules, and suddenly you’re on the front lines instead of preaching on street corners.

    And here’s the kicker: Ukraine’s laws around alternative service are strict and only apply to specific cases, typically younger people aged 18-25, and not during times of special mobilization. In other words, the law doesn’t care about your half-hearted attempts to claim religious beliefs if you’re not officially in good standing. So, the court decided his past with the Witnesses wasn’t enough to dodge conscription and found him guilty of avoiding military duty.
    For anyone aged 18 to 55 in Europe watching the geopolitical tension rise, this is your wake-up call. Don’t assume your old church ties or half-hearted religious claims will save you from conscription. If you’re banking on Jehovah’s Witnesses to vouch for you, remember—they can and will revoke your “conscientious objector” card at any time. So, if war’s on the horizon, better start making plans now because once you’re out, you’re really out, and no elder will be there to save you from the draft.
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  • Riley
    Riley

    We have Ukrainian refuges were I have live. They are young families with children and as a father I get it. Love your children more than you hate your enemies. You can tell the young men are not cowards, it is just there kids need a father more than the army needs a soldier.

    That said, I really don't give two shits about " conscientious objector " status. If you don't want to shoot a gun , the army has plenty of support jobs needed to be filled. If the WTS can't get behind the cause of Ukrainian freedom after what Russia to the WTS...........who can ?

  • FedUpJW
    FedUpJW
    suddenly you’re on the front lines instead of preaching on street corners.

    It would be a shame if some of is weapons bullets found t heir way to those rigid, judgemental "elders" who so love the flock that like Jesus illustration they would rejoice over finding one lost "sheep" over the 99 that were not lost.

  • KerryKing
    KerryKing

    Wow, just wow. Those elders sure love wielding the power of life and death.

    By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you... throw each other to the wolves?

  • Gorb
    Gorb

    Blood guilt for jw.org

    The organization is working together woth the Oekraïne gouvernement for restauration of public buildings.

    How I hate those jw.krg survival policy.

    Gorby

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Seems pretty reasonable to me, if you want to have the benefits of membership then you have to actually be a member. By implication this case, as presented here, tends to indicate that that military age men in good standing are supported by the organisation in their refusal to do military service and that this has some weight with the authorities. How do we know that the person just “broke a few rules” as you put it? What if he wrecked someone’s marriage, or worse, committed a serious crime, why should the congregation put themselves on the line to support him if those were the circumstances?

  • raymond frantz
    raymond frantz

    Problem is he had the support of one elder and some in the congregation. Also, I know many in Europe went in prison for the neutrality issue although not baptised jws .Me being one of them. The Watchtower has no problem "drafting" young men to their cause but they do take issue when later on in life these same men need their help. It is the same that happened in Germany after the WWII ,many jws went to the concentration camps for the Watchtower only to be disfellowshipped after the war because they raised questions about the Watchtower's stance in Nazi Germany.

  • StephaneLaliberte
    StephaneLaliberte
    Wow, just wow. Those elders sure love wielding the power of life and death.

    We don't know what this guy did to be thrown out and kept out. Based on the latest watchtowers, it should be easier then ever before to get back in. Is this guy a child molester? Did he commit fraud against brothers and sisters? Did he go after an elder's wife?

    I think it has everything with WHY he was thrown out and kept out of his religion. Because in this case, the court was evaluating the guy's conscience which he could not prove. I bet if he was kept out of that group because of apostasy, he'd stand a chance.

    As for me personally? I'd pick up a gun and fight. You invade my country, my home, threaten my family. What else am I supposed to do?

  • KerryKing
    KerryKing

    You're right of course, we don't have the full story. What I was thinking though was that if he was going to meetings, had applied to be reinstated and presumably stopped doing whatever it was that got him disfellowshipped, then by Christian standards of forgiveness and mercy, he should have been allowed back in. After all, elders, despite what they like to pretend, cannot read the heart nor do they have the authority to judge people for life or death. In this regard, they have overstepped into Christ's domain.

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    The nutty part is that conviction or longtime religious beliefs are reduced to membership status. The WT is wrong to not defend a person, any person, who they have reason to believe is a conscientious objector, the government is wrong to make a policy based upon membership.

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