Confused

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  • UnDisfellowshipped
    UnDisfellowshipped

    Hello Jusastudy,

    I posted a message on your other post also called "Confused". I hope you got it.

    Basically, I highly recommend that you read the Gospel of John (if possible, using any Translation other than the New World Translation). The following are Websites where you can read the Bible Online for Free:

    http://www.niv.org

    http://www.blueletterbible.org

    http://www.crosswalk.com

    Also, this is a Website that really helped me get close to God, and helped to show me how false the Jehovah's Witnesses Religion is: http://www.MacgregorMinistries.org

    You should also definitely visit http://www.ajwrb.org to find out all about the Blood Policy and visit http://www.SilentLambs.org to find out all about the Pedophile Cover-Up (or just visit http://www.cbsnews.com right now to see the latest news story)

    Also, below are some Quotes from Watchtower Society Publications which show clearly what happens to anyone who decides to Disassociate from the Jehovah's Witnesses, or anyone who is Disfellowshipped from the Jehovah's Witnesses:

    Jehovah's Witnesses who Question, Doubt, Criticize, or Speak Out Against ANY Watchtower Policy or Teaching, can and most likely will be "Disfellowshipped" (Excommunicated) and Shunned by their Jehovah's Witness Family and Friends, and are then labeled as "Apostates", and the Watchtower teaches that if you are Disfellowshipped when Armageddon comes, God will destroy you:

    "Those who are acquainted with the situation in the congregation should never say `Hello' or `Goodby' to [the Disfellowshipped person]. He is not welcome in our midst, we avoid him." (The Watchtower March 1st 1952 Issue, Page 141)
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    "We must hate (the Disfellowshipped person) in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme active aversion, to consider (the Disfellowshipped person) as loathsome, odious, filthy, to detest." (The Watchtower October 1st 1952 Issue, Page 599)
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    "In the case of where a father or mother or son or daughter is disfellowshiped, how should such person be treated by members of the family in their family relationship?"

    "We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine. "Thou shalt surely kill him; thy hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him to death with stones, because he hath sought to draw thee away from Jehovah thy God, . . . And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is in the midst of thee."-Deut. 13:6-11, AS."

    "Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws."

    "The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God's law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshiped from his congregation, and this despite the fact that the law of the land in which we live requires us under some natural obligation to live with and have dealings with such apostates under the same roof."

    "...if the children are of age, then there can be a departing and breaking of family ties in a physical way, because the spiritual ties have already snapped."

    "If children are of age and continue to associate with a disfellowshiped parent because of receiving material support from him or her, then they must consider how far their spiritual interests are being endangered by continuing under this unequal arrangement, and whether they can arrange to support themselves, living apart from the fallen-away parent. Their continuing to receive material support should not make them compromise so as to ignore the disfellowshiped state of the parent. If, because of acting according to the disfellowship order of the company of God's people, they become threatened with a withdrawal of the parental support, then they must be willing to take such consequences."

    "Satan's influence through the disfellowshiped member of the family will be to cause the other member or members of the family who are in the truth to join the disfellowshiped member in his course or in his position toward God's organization. To do this would be disastrous, and so the faithful family member must recognize and conform to the disfellowship order. How would or could this be done while living under the same roof or in personal, physical contact daily with the disfellowshiped? In this way: By refusing to have religious relationship with the disfellowshiped."

    "...to have religious communion with the disfellowshiped person - no, there would be none of that! The faithful marriage partner would not discuss religion with the apostate or disfellowshiped and would not accompany that one to his (or her) place of religious association and participate in the meetings with that one. As Jesus said: "If he does not listen even to the congregation [which was obliged to disfellowship him], let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector [to Jehovah's sanctified nation]." (Matt. 18:17, NW) Hurt to such one would not be authorized, but there would be no spiritual or religious fellowshiping."

    "The same rule would apply to those who are in the relation of parent and child or of child and parent. What natural obligation falls upon them according to man's law and God's law the faithful parent or the faithful child will comply with. But as for rendering more than that and having religious fellowship with such one in violation of the congregation's disfellowship order-no, none of that for the faithful one! If the faithful suffers in some material or other way for the faithful adherence to theocratic law, then he must accept this as suffering for righteousness' sake."

    "The purpose of observing the disfellowship order is to make the disfellowshiped one realize the error of his way and to shame him, if possible, so that he may be recovered, and also to safeguard your own salvation to life in the new world in vindication of God. (2 Thess. 3:14, 15; Titus 2:8) Because of being in close, indissoluble natural family ties and being of the same household under the one roof you may have to eat material food and live physically with that one at home, in which case 1 Corinthians 5:9-11 and 2 John 10 could not apply; but do not defeat the purpose of the congregation's disfellowship order by eating spiritual or religious food with such one or receiving such one favorably in a religious way and bidding him farewell with a wish for his prosperity in his apostate course." (The Watchtower November 15th 1952 Issue)

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    "Generally speaking, it would be desirable for us to have no contact with disfellowshiped persons, either in business or in social and spiritual ways." (The Watchtower December 1st 1952 Issue, Page 735)
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    "in order to hate what is bad a Christian must hate the [Disfellowshipped] person" (The Watchtower July 15th 1961 Issue, Page 420)
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    "[Disfellowshiping] serves as a powerful warning example to those in the congregation, since they will be able to see the disastrous consequences of ignoring Jehovah's laws. Paul said: "Reprove before all onlookers persons who practice sin, that the rest also may have fear." 1 Tim. 5:20." (The Watchtower July 1st 1963 Issue, Page 411)
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    "[The members of the congregation] will not converse with such one or show him recognition in any way. If the disfellowshiped person attempts to talk to others in the congregation, they should walk away from him. In this way he will feel the full import of his sin.... the disfellowshiped person who wants to do what is right should inform any approaching him in innocence that he is disfellowshiped and they should not be conversing with him." (The Watchtower July 1st 1963 Issue, Page 413)
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    "In the case of the disfellowshiped relative who does not live in the same home, contact with him is also kept to what is absolutely necessary. As with secular employment, this contact is limited and even curtailed completely if at all possible."

    "We should not see how close we can get to relatives who are disfellowshiped from Jehovah's organization, but we should 'quit mixing in company' with them."

    "What if a person cut off from God's congregation unexpectedly visits dedicated relatives? What should the Christian do then? If this is the first occurrence of such visit, the dedicated Christian can, if his conscience permits, carry on family courtesies on that particular occasion. However, if his conscience does not permit, he is under no obligation to do so. If courtesies are extended, though, the Christian should make it clear that this will not be made a regular practice.... The excommunicated relative should be made to realize that his visits are not now welcomed as they were previously when he was walking correctly with Jehovah." (The Watchtower July 15th 1963 Issue, Pages 443-444)

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    "If the excommunicated husband insists on offering prayer at mealtimes, the dedicated members of the household would not say "Amen" to the prayer, nor would they join hands as some have the custom, as this would be participating spiritually. They could bow their heads and offer their own silent prayer to Jehovah." (The Watchtower July 15th 1963 Issue, Page 446)
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    "In faithfulness to God, none in the congregation should greet such [Disfellowshipped] persons when meeting them in public nor should they welcome these into their homes." (Organization for Kingdom-Preaching and Disciple-Making Book, 1972 Edition, Pages 172-173)
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    "...do you know how to hate? These very strong words are an expression of godly hate, and you too must have this quality to be pleasing to God. Hate causes a feeling of disgust to well up inside you. You loathe, abhor, despise the object of your hatred." (The Watchtower July 15th 1974 Issue, Page 442)
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    "[The Disfellowshipped Jehovah's Witnesses are to be hated] in the sense of avoiding them as we would poison or a poisonous snake." (The Watchtower June 15th 1980 Issue, Page 8)
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    "Thus, the one who doubts to the point of becoming an apostate sets himself up as a judge. He thinks he knows better than his fellow Christians, better also than the 'faithful and discreet slave,' through whom he has learned the best part, if not all that he knows about Jehovah God and his purposes." (The Watchtower August 1st 1980 Issue, Page 19)
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    "Persons who make themselves not of our sort by deliberately rejecting the faith and beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses should appropriately be viewed and treated as are those who have been disfellowshiped for wrongdoing."

    "...they would not want to have... fellowship with an expelled sinner (or one who has renounced the faith and beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses, disassociating himself). The expelled person has been rejected, being self-condemned because of sinning, and those in the congregation both accept God's judgment and uphold it. Disfellowshiping, however, implies more than ceasing to have spiritual fellowship. -Titus 3:10, 11."

    "Paul wrote: Quit mixing in company... , not even eating with such a man. (1 Cor. 5:11) A meal is a time of relaxation and socializing. Hence, the Bible here rules out social fellowship, too, such as joining an expelled person in a picnic or party, ball game, trip to the beach or theater, or sitting down to a meal with him." (The Watchtower September 15th 1981 Issue, Pages 23-24)

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    "...Korah, Dathan and Abiram rebelled. Jehovah confirmed that he was dealing through Moses and Aaron, not through these religious rebels. Then Moses told the people to get away from the rebels' tents. What would the children and households of Korah, Dathan and Abiram do? Would they put loyalty to family ahead of loyalty to Jehovah and his congregation? Most of those closely related to the rebels put family before God. Jehovah executed these relatives along with the rebels. Num. 16:16-33." (The Watchtower September 15th 1981 Issue, Page 26)
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    "The second situation that we need to consider is that involving a disfellowshiped or disassociated relative who is not in the immediate family circle or living at ones home. Such a person is still related by blood or marriage, and so there may be some limited need to care for necessary family matters. Nonetheless, it is not as if he were living in the same home where contact and conversation could not be avoided. We should keep clearly in mind the Bibles inspired direction: Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person... , not even eating with such a man. 1 Cor. 5:11."

    "Christians related to such a disfellowshiped person living outside the home should strive to avoid needless association, even keeping business dealings to a minimum." (The Watchtower September 15th 1981 Issue, Page 29)

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    "Great care needs to be exercised that a person's situation as a disfellowshiped sinner is neither overlooked nor minimized. As the sons of Korah well demonstrated, our chief loyalty must be to Jehovah and his theocratic arrangement. We can be sure that when we uphold his standards and prefer association with his organized people, rather than with wrongdoers, we will have his protection and blessing. -Ps. 84:10-12."

    "Normally, relatives are often together at meals, picnics, family reunions or other social gatherings. But when someone has unrepentantly pursued sin and has had to be disfellowshiped, he may cause difficulties for his Christian relatives in regard to such gatherings. While they realize that they are still related to him, they do not want to ignore Paul's advice that faithful Christians should quit mixing in company with an expelled sinner."

    "If a disfellowshiped relative comes to the Kingdom Hall for the wedding, obviously he could not be in the bridal party there or give away the bride. What, though, if there is a wedding feast or reception? This can be a happy social occasion, as it was in Cana when Jesus attended. (John 2:1, 2) But will the disfellowshiped relative be allowed to come or even be invited? If he was going to attend, many Christians, relatives or not, might conclude that they should not be there, to eat and associate with him, in view of Paul's drections at 1 Corinthians 5:11."

    "Would upholding God's righteousness and his disfellowshiping arrangement mean that a Christian should not speak at all with an expelled person, not even saying 'Hello'? And we all know from our experience over the years that a simple 'Hello' to someone can be the first step that develops into a conversation and maybe even a friendship. Would we want to take that first step with a disfellowshiped person?" (The Watchtower September 15th 1981 Issue, Page 30)
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    "...if someone is disfellowshiped, he must at the time have had a truly bad heart and/or been determined to pursue a God-dishonoring course. Peter said that the condition of such a person is worse than before he became a Christian; he is like 'a sow that was bathed but has gone back to rolling in the mire.' " (The Watchtower January 1st 1983 Issue, Page 30)
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    "But human emotions and attachments can have a powerful effect, making it difficult for people to act in accord with the disfellowshiping decree if a relative is involved."

    "... the expelled mate has proved that he is not the sort of person that we want to be around... So maybe a visit can be made when the disfellowshiped one is known to be out of the house." (The Watchtower January 1st 1983 Issue, Page 31)
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    "We have been forewarned that there will be apostates and people who just like to have their ears tickled. Counsel such as at 2 John 9-11, 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 and 2 Timothy 3:5 allows no room for associating with those who turn away from the truth. Nor do we purchase or read their writings." (The Watchtower December 15th 1984 Issue, Page 19)
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    "Such ones willfully abandoning the Christian congregation thereby become part of the "antichrist." (1 John 2:18, 19)"

    "A person who had willfully and formally disassociated himself from the congregation would have matched that description." (The Watchtower December 15th 1984 Issue, Page 31)
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    "Now, what will you do if you are confronted with apostate teaching - subtle reasonings - claiming that what you believe as one of Jehovah's Witnesses is not the truth? For example, what will you do if you receive a letter or some literature, open it and see right away that it is from an apostate? Will curiosity cause you to read it, just to see what he has to say? You may even reason: "It won't affect me; I'm too strong in the truth. And, besides, if we have the truth, we have nothing to fear. The truth will stand the test." In thinking this way, some have fed their minds upon apostate reasoning and have fallen prey to serious questioning and doubt."

    "Do you wisely destroy apostate material?" (The Watchtower March 15th 1986 Issue, Page 12)
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    "Why is reading apostate publications similar to reading pornographic literature?" (The Watchtower March 15th 1986 Issue, Page 14)
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    "Beware of those who try to put forward their own contrary opinions." (The Watchtower March 15th 1986 Issue, Page 17)
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    "Therefore, resolve in your heart that you will never even touch the poison that apostates want you to sip." (The Watchtower March 15th 1986 Issue, Page 20)
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    "Why have Jehovah's Witnesses disfellowshipped (excommunicated) for apostasy some who still profess belief in God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ?"

    "Teaching dissident or divergent views is not compatible with true Christianity, as Paul makes clear at 1 Corinthians 1:10: "I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought." (New International Version)"

    "Was this unity to be achieved and maintained by each one's independently searching the Scriptures, coming to his own conclusions, and then teaching these? Not at all!"

    "Yes, with the help of such ministers, congregational unity - oneness in teaching and activity - could be and would be possible.-Ephesians 4:11-13."

    "Obviously, a basis for approved fellowship with Jehovah's Witnesses cannot rest merely on a belief in God, in the Bible, in Jesus Christ, and so forth."

    "simply professing to have such beliefs [in God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ] would not authorize one to be known as one of Jehovah's Witnesses."

    "Approved association with Jehovah's Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah's Witnesses. What do such beliefs include?"

    "That Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence and is subordinate to his heavenly Father. (John 14:28) That there is a "faithful and discreet slave" upon earth today 'entrusted with all of Jesus' earthly interests,' which slave is associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. (Matthew 24:45-47) That 1914 marked the end of the Gentile Times and the establishment of the Kingdom of God in the heavens, as well as the time for Christ's foretold presence. (Luke 21:7-24; Revelation 11:15-12:10) That only 144,000 Christians will receive the heavenly reward. (Revelation 14:1, 3) That Armageddon, referring to the battle of the great day of God the Almighty, is near. (Revelation 16:14, 16; 19:11-21) That it will be followed by Christ's Millennial Reign, which will restore an earth-wide paradise. That the first to enjoy it will be the present "great crowd" of Jesus' "other sheep."-John 10:16; Revelation 7:9-17; 21:3, 4."

    "{The Apostle] John goes on to say regarding those holding such variant views: "If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."-2 John 7, 10, 11."

    "Following such Scriptural patterns, if a Christian (who claims belief in God, the Bible, and Jesus) unrepentantly promotes false teachings, it may be necessary for him to be expelled from the congregation. (See Titus 3:10, 11.)" (The Watchtower April 1st 1986 Issue, Pages 30-31)
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    " "Cutting ourselves off completely from all association with (my disfellowshipped sister) Margaret tested our loyalty to Jehovah's arrangement. It gave our family opportunity to show that we really believe that Jehovah's way is best." -Lynette."

    "God's fatherly discipline, which can affect our spiritual lives, can take many forms. One is his arrangement to exclude from the Christian congregation a person who no longer wants to live by God's standards, or who refuses to do so. A person who is thus strongly chastised or disciplined may repent and turn around. In the process, the congregation of loyal ones are also disciplined in that they learn the importance of conforming to God's high standards. 1 Timothy 1:20."

    "Occasionally... a person deviates from the path of truth. For example, despite help from Christian elders, he may unrepentantly violate God's laws. Or he may reject the faith by teaching false doctrine or by disassociating himself from the congregation. Then what should be done?"

    "shunning would be appropriate... for anyone who rejects the congregation [of Jehovah's Witnesses]"

    "So the direction at 2 John 11 could well mean not to say even "hello" to such ones"

    "We can be... sure that God's arrangement that Christians refuse to fellowship with someone who has been expelled for unrepentant sin is a wise protection for us"

    "By also avoiding persons who have deliberately disassociated themselves, Christians are protected from possible critical, unappreciative, or even apostate views."

    "Cutting off from the Christian congregation does not involve immediate death, so family ties continue. Thus, a man who is disfellowshipped or who disassociates himself may still live at home with his Christian wife and faithful children. Respect for God's judgments and the congregation's action will move the wife and children to recognize that by his course, he altered the spiritual bond that existed between them. Yet, since his being disfellowshipped does not end their blood ties or marriage relationship, normal family affections and dealings can continue."

    "The situation is different if the disfellowshipped or disassociated one is a relative living outside the immediate family circle and home. It might be possible to have almost no contact at all with the relative. Even if there were some family matters requiring contact, this certainly would be kept to a minimum, in line with the divine principle: "Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person [or guilty of another gross sin], ... not even eating with such a man." 1 Corinthians 5:11."

    "Understandably, this may be difficult because of emotions and family ties, such as grandparents' love for their grandchildren. Yet, this is a test of loyalty to God"

    "Lynette's comment about her choice 'to cut herself off completely from all association' with her disfellowshipped sister Margaret. She and her Christian relatives 'believed that Jehovah's way is best.' And it is!"

    "Lynette's sister later told her: 'If you had viewed the disfellowshipping lightly, I know that I would not have taken steps toward reinstatement as soon as I did. Being totally cut off from loved ones and from close contact with the congregation created a strong desire to repent. I realized just how wrong my course was and how serious it was to turn my back on Jehovah.' "

    "In another case, Laurie's parents were disfellowshipped. Yet she says: 'My association with them never stopped but increased. As time went on, I became more and more inactive. I got to the point of not even attending [Jehovah's Witnesses] meetings.' Then she read material in The Watchtower of September 1 and 15, 1981, that stressed the counsel of 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 and 2 John 9-11. "It was as if a light bulb were turned on in me," she writes. 'I knew I would have to make some changes. I now better understand the meaning of Matthew 10:34-36. My decision was not an easy one for my family to swallow, for my son, five, is the only boy, and they love him dearly.' It is hoped that losing such association will touch the parents' hearts, as it did Margaret's."

    "What may seem harsh to outsiders is both necessary and really a loving thing to do." (The Watchtower April 15th 1988 Issue)
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    "Many try to portray the beliefs and practices of Jehovah's Witnesses as dogmatic and restrictive. When answering questions about your religious beliefs and practices, emphasize the fact that you have formed your beliefs and adopted your practices after much study and reflection your religion is not simply a matter of rules which have been imposed by the elders. You want to emphasize the fact that you are a thinking, well-balanced, and reasonable individual who is competent to act as a parent. Avoid any response which gives the impression that you are unwilling or unable to provide for your child's best interests because of your religious beliefs." (Preparing For Child Custody Cases Booklet published by Jehovah's Witnesses)
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    "Disfellowshipped and disassociated ones are shunned by those who wish to have a good relationship with Jehovah."

    "Basic Scriptural counsel on the proper view of those who have been expelled from the congregation is set out in the apostle Paul's words at 1 Corinthians 5:11- 13."

    "John counsels against speaking to or associating with a disfellowshipped or disassociated person so as not to be "a sharer in his wicked works." (2 John 11)" (Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock, Confidential Elders-Only Rule Book, 1991 Edition, Page 103)
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    "Former friends and relatives might hope that a disfellowshipped one would return; yet out of respect for the command at 1 Corinthians 5:11, they do not associate with an expelled person." (The Watchtower April 15th 1991 Issue)
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    "Apostasy is, in reality, a rebellion against Jehovah. Some apostates profess to know and serve God, but they reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible, but they reject Jehovah's organization and actively try to hinder its work. When they deliberately choose such badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of their makeup, then a Christian must hate (in the Biblical sense of the word) those who have inseparable attached themselves to the badness." (The Watchtower October 1st 1993 Issue, Page 19)
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    "Why is it loving to expel an unrepentant wrongdoer from the congregation? Doing so is an expression of love for Jehovah and his ways. (Psalm 97:10) This action shows love for those pursuing a righteous course because it removes from their midst one who could exercise a bad influence on them. It also protects the purity of the congregation." (The Watchtower July 15th 1995 Issue)
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    "...we must not only "be obedient" but also "be submissive" to those taking the lead. The Greek word for "be submissive" literally means "be you yielding under." Commenting on the expressions "be obedient" and "be submissive," Bible scholar R. C. H. Lenski says: "One obeys when one agrees with what he is told to do, is persuaded of its correctness and profitableness; one yields . . . when he has a contrary opinion." When we understand and agree with the direction of those taking the lead, obedience may come readily. But what if we do not understand the reason behind a particular decision?"

    "Here is where we may need to be submissive, or yielding. Why? For one thing, we need to trust that these spiritually qualified men have our best interests at heart. After all, they well know that they must render an account to Jehovah for the sheep committed to their care. (James 3:1) In addition, we do well to remember that we may not know all the confidential facts that led them to an informed decision.-Proverbs 18:13."

    "What about being submissive when it comes to judicial decisions? Granted, this may not be easy, especially if a decision is made to disfellowship someone we love-a relative or a close friend. Here again, it is best to yield to the judgment of the "gifts in men." They are in a position to be more objective than we can be, and they may know more of the facts."

    "...[the elders] must also keep the congregation clean, and the Bible directs that they disfellowship unrepentant wrongdoers. (1 Corinthians 5:11-13) In many cases the wrongdoer himself accepts the decision. The discipline may be just what he needs to come to his senses. If we, his loved ones, are submissive when it comes to the decision, we may thereby be helping him to benefit from the discipline." (The Watchtower March 1st 1998 Issue)
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    What About Slanderous Publicity?

    "At times, Jehovah's Witnesses have been the target of distorted information in the media. For example, on August 1, 1997, a Russian newspaper published a slanderous article claiming, among other things, that Witnesses categorically require members to 'reject their wives, husbands, and parents if these do not understand and do not share their faith.' Anyone who is truly acquainted with Jehovah's Witnesses knows that the charge is false. The Bible indicates that Christians are to treat unbelieving family members with love and respect, and Witnesses endeavor to follow that direction. (1 Corinthians 7:12-16; 1 Peter 3:1-4) Even so, the article was printed, and many readers were thus misinformed. How can we defend our faith when we are falsely accused?" (The Watchtower December 1st 1998 Issue, Page 17)
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    "As for disfellowshipped relatives not living in the same household, Jehovah's Witnesses apply the Bible's counsel: "quit mixing with them." " (Taken from the Official Jehovah's Witnesses Media Website at http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm)
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    "The bond between family members can be very strong. This brings a test upon a Christian when a marriage mate, a child, a parent, or another close relative is disfellowshipped or has disassociated himself from the congregation."

    "How to Treat Expelled Ones: God's Word commands Christians not to keep company or fellowship with a person who has been expelled from the congregation"

    "Jesus was... instructing his followers not to associate with expelled ones."

    "This means that loyal Christians do not have spiritual fellowship with anyone who has been expelled from the congregation. But more is involved. God's Word states that we should 'not even eat with such a man.' (1 Cor. 5:11) Hence, we also avoid social fellowship with an expelled person. This would rule out joining him in a picnic, party, or trip to the shops or theatre or sitting down to a meal with him either in the home or at a restaurant."

    "What about speaking with a disfellowshipped person?"

    "A simple 'Hello' to someone can be the first step that develops into a conversation and maybe even a friendship. Would we want to take that first step with a disfellowhipped person?"

    "The fact is that when a Christian gives himself over to sin and has to be disfellowshipped, he forfeits much: his approved standing with God;....sweet fellowship with the brothers, including much of the association he had with Christian relatives."

    "Former spiritual ties have been completely severed. This is true even with respect to his relatives, including those within his immediate family circle....That will mean changes in the spiritual fellowship that may have existed in the home. For example, if the husband is disfellowshipped, his wife and children will not be comfortable with him conducting a family Bible study or leading in Bible reading and prayer."

    "The situation is different if the disfellowshipped or disassociated one is a relative living outside the immediate family circle and home"

    "It might be possible to have almost no contact at all with the relative."

    "Loyal Christians should strive to avoid needless association with such a relative, even keeping business dealings to an absolute minimum."

    "Sometimes Christian parents have accepted back into their home for a time a disfellowshipped child who has become physically or emotionally ill. But in each case the parents can weigh the individual circumstances."

    "Will he bring 'leaven' into the home?"

    "Cooperating with the Scriptual arrangement to disfellowship and shun unrepentant wrongdoers is beneficial."

    "After hearing a talk at a [Jehovah's Witnesses] circuit assembly, a brother and his fleshly sister realized that they needed to make adjustments in the way they treated their mother, who lived elsewhere and who had been disfellowshipped for six years. Immediately after the assembly, the man called his mother, and after assuring her of their love, he explained that they could no longer talk to her unless there were important family matters requiring contact. Shortly thereafter, his mother began attending meetings and was eventually reinstated. Also, her unbelieving husband began studying and in time was baptized [as a Jehovah's Witness]." (Our Kingdom Ministry August 2002 Issue [Monthly Internal Publication of the Jehovah's Witnesses])
  • jusastudy
    jusastudy

    I am female, sorry

  • jusastudy
    jusastudy

    being disfellowshipped was one of the things that I told my teacher bothered me because people make mistakes. but she said that once you are baptised Jehovah deals with you in a different way than when you are not, like maybe you would be given extra help from him.

  • RAYZORBLADE
    RAYZORBLADE

    Jusastudy. Looks like any answers you may have needed, have been duly posted.

    Everyone on here has had some experience with the Jehovah's Witnesses, yours truly included.

    Some of us have been born into it; some via the door-to-door ministry; some via other methods. Still, we have been Jehovah's Witnesses.

    We are here as a result of our experiences. Some will say it 'point blank' how they feel, while others will post scriptural references (important for some) and there are some of us who've been away so long, we can basically encourage you to 'stay away' from them.

    Yes, they are very nice. Sure, some of them may be well meaning, but once you're on the inside, as we can ALL attest, it's an entirely different ball game.

    Right here: you are in the midsts of people who KNOW what unconditional love and acceptance is. The Jehovah's Witnesses will impart conditional love.

    Read some of the experiences on here. Dansk has a great thread, and I should have posted that link here, but it's within the last 2 or 3 pages. Read those, it'll give you experiences as real as you can get.

    Many of us were 'Just A Study' - some of us went further, some of us did not. But we were all affected by the experience just the same.

    Some people have lost family members. Yes, shunning. Mothers/Fathers/Sisters/Brothers/Sons/Daughters - that no longer have anything to do with each other as a result of the WTBTS teachings and interpretation of the bible.

    The pain and misery this has caused is unbelievable. Hardly Christ-like, if this is what appeals to you.

    Be glad you have had this opportunity to stumble across this website.

    We're all here if you have any questions or concerns. No one here is short on answers.

    Great bunch overall, let me tell you.

    What Francois said earlier, is true. You cannot be walked over/upon if you don't lie down first. Be strong, steadfast and firm.

    Trust me, coming here and to many other websites related to former JWs will open your eyes like you wouldn't believe. Of course, the JWs that are studying with you, will discourage that, because heaven knows...'you might discover something' which is probably true, like this website and so many others.

    Anything that you need to know: someone here will be able to direct you to resources that can be backed up. No baloney sandwiches here.

    My best wishes to you Jusastudy and your daughter. For her to be deprived of the small joys of birthdays and holidays, is tragic.

    Keep us posted.

    Any questions? ASK!!

    Someone, as you can already tell, will have answers.

    Best wishes, Rayzorblade

  • BadJerry
    BadJerry

    OK, I wasn't going to respond because of all the other good responses. BUT

    I have to, We came in when we were in our 30's, they had all the answers and believe me my husband came up with questions dealing with slavery to dates. They always came back with the answer but they were their answers. We should of done our own research. On my husbands last talk he was going to give he found information from an old WT 3/1/79 that stated the faithful and discreet slave class was inspired and infallible in the writings of the christian greek scriptures but that was NOT true of other writings since. These men in NY who are governing lives of thousands have no more spiritual insight than anyone else. With that, reading Crisis of Conscience, the date-line pedophile issue, the shunning that goes on where families are torn apart. We Left last Aug.

    heres a true story about two young mom's I know, and unfortunatly they are 500 miles away. One is a third born, grew up in a Very strict JW lifestyle, no TV programs other than watching tapes of I Love Lucy shows. (K) gets a job, goes into chat rooms, meets a guy, he gets her a plane ticket, she goes, has sex, they find her, bring her back, and disfellowship her. OK she messed up, instead of lovingly help her, her parents Make her sleep out in a shed with a space heater, at mealtime after everybody is done they allowed her to eat the scraps. which brings me to #2 mom, she was date raped by a ministerial servant, he gets off scott free because she had to of been the temptress, the elders asking intimate details ( in her face with teeth clenched asking if she had an orgasim) She's disfellowshipped, end up eventually pregnant and at times so broke with nothing to eat. Her parents don't help out, don't care and is kept out of the will. People at the hall were even writing her hate letters. Loving organization? Hardly!

    Now suppose you get baptized and down the road your children do, they mess up, are you going to be so cold and unloving towards them because some men in Brooklyn tell you to. Jesus would Never shun someone.

    It all sounds wonderful in the beginning, oh the promises, thats just all they are, promises and failed prophesies. It's a mind control tactic they use, ( I never thought of it as such because I always felt I was still the same and doing the same)BUT when someone is told to read only their literature and told the same thing over and over again, what to wear, what to say, how to act it becomes mind control. Your Cristian freedom is lost by the subtle erosion. it's as if you have given to others your God-given right to exercise your own conscience and you eventually arrive at a second hand faith based on the convictions and reasonings of others.

    from IMANALIENTO logging on to hubby's ID

  • DJ
    DJ

    Jusastudy

    Hi. Disfellowshipping and shunning are one thing but don't you have concerns about other things too? I'm sue that you do. Have you given any thought to the hypocrital blood doctrine? The jw's don't teach their prey the truth about this. Let me guess....you've been taught that jw's refuse blood transfusions because it is biblically wrong and it is like eating blood, right? They showed you the scriptures about abstaining from blood and convinced you that it means for medical reasons too right? Ok, we all bought into that too..... There is an awful lot more to it than what you have been told! Check out this website... www.ajwrb.org There, you will see that the guys in Brooklyn have taken the liberty for you and your child to decide what 'fractions' of blood are ok to "EAT" and what fractions you must refuse because they say so! This is not what the bible teaches. These false teachings could kill your child! It has taken the lives of many! They haven't told you any of this have they? This is NOT Jehovah's will for you. They are hypocrits and they will mislead you with their smooth talking as long as you will listen. They, themselves are misled. My father is very sick ,he is a jw.....I have seen his watchtower documents that tell him what blood fractions he can have and what he cannot. Even he knows it is a lie but he cannot leave the org. or he will lose his family.....and he is dying. Love to you, dj

  • jusastudy
    jusastudy

    EVERYONE THANKS FOR YOUR POSTS. IM SPEECHLESS AND OVERWHELMED

  • UnDisfellowshipped
    UnDisfellowshipped

    Hello again Jusastudy,

    I wanted to help you more, so I'm going to post some Questions to Ask Jehovah's Witnesses, which I have recently come up with after studying numerous Watchtower Publications:

    Questions about Blood:

    1: According to the June 15th, 2000 Watchtower, Jehovah's Witnesses are allowed to take Blood Fractions (except for the "big four components"). But, according to the October 15th, 2000 Watchtower, Jehovah's Witnesses would directly break God's Law on Blood if they store their own Blood, in order to either take Fractions out of it, or to put their own Blood back into their bodies during an operation. Also, according to that Article, Storing Blood is directly against God's Law, and using Stored Blood is also against God's Law. Then if that's true, the June 15th 2000 Article is wrong, because the June 15th 2000 Article says that Jehovah's Witnesses are allowed to take Blood Fractions which are taken from large amounts of Stored Blood (in fact, other people's Stored Blood!).

    2: Some Articles say that we can take Blood Fractions from Stored Blood, as long as it is other people's

    Stored Blood, but we cannot store our own Blood to use it. Why is this?

    3: Some Articles say that it is against God's Law to use any part of Blood for "any useful purpose" after it has been removed from the body. Is this true? If it is true, it would mean that we cannot give food that contains Blood to our pets, and we cannot use fertilizer that contains Blood, and we cannot take Vaccinations (Shots) that contain parts of Blood. Are we allowed to give our pets food that contains Blood? Are we allowed to use fertilizer that contains Blood? Are we allowed to take Vaccinations (Shots) that contain Blood?

    4: According to statements made by Watchtower Society Spokesmen in News Articles, Jehovah's Witnesses are now allowed to accept Hemoglobin, HemoPure, and PolyHeme. Is this true? Hemoglobin makes up about 15% of a person's Blood. Some Articles say that Jehovah's Witnesses should not take Hemoglobin. Are Jehovah's Witnesses allowed to take Hemoglobin?

    5: How does the Governing Body determine what is a "Major Component" of Blood, and what is a "Minor Fraction" of Blood?

    The June 15th 2000 Watchtower said that Jehovah's Witnesses can accept Blood Fractions except for Red Blood Cells, White Blood Cells, Platelets, and Plasma.

    90% of Red Blood Cells is Hemoglobin. According to News Articles, Jehovah's Witnesses are allowed to accept Hemoglobin. So why are Red Blood Cells forbidden?

    White Blood Cells make up less than 1% of Blood. There are hundreds of thousands of White Blood Cells in Milk. Why are White Blood Cells forbidden? Does this mean Jehovah's Witnesses cannot drink Milk? Or eat Cheese? Albumin makes up a larger percentage of Blood than White Blood Cells, and yet Albumin is allowed. Why? Hemoglobin makes up 15% of Blood, and I have heard that it is allowed, yet, White Blood Cells make up less than 1% of Blood, and they are forbidden. Why?

    92% of Blood Plasma is Water, and the other 8% is Protein (mainly Albumin). Albumin is allowed, so why isn't Blood Plasma allowed? Is the Water forbidden? Or is the Water together with Albumin forbidden? Why? Blood Plasma contains absolutely NO Blood Cells. It is only Water and Protein (mainly Albumin). Also, it is okay for me to accept Blood Plasma, as long as I separate the Water and the Proteins, and THEN accept them?

    Platelets make up about 5% of Blood and it is forbidden, but Hemoglobin makes up about 15% of Blood, and it is allowed. Why?

    6: Some Articles say that Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept Hemodilution, Autologous, Homologous, or Blood Salvage Machines, but other Articles say that these are allowed. Which is true?

    7: Some Articles say that Jehovah's Witnesses would break God's Law if they received Fractions of Blood for the purpose of "Saving Your Life" or for the purpose of "Nourishing the Body". Is this true? If so, how do I determine what "Nourishing the Body" means? Also, according to News Articles, Jehovah's Witnesses are allowed to accept Hemoglobin for the purpose of saving their lives. Is that true?

    8: According to statements made by some Watchtower Society Spokesmen in News Articles, Jehovah's Witnesses now have full freedom of whether or not to accept Blood Transfusions or other Blood products, with absolutely no discipline from the Congregation Elders. Is this true? Does this mean Jehovah's Witnesses will no longer be Disfellowshipped, Disassociated, or Reproved for accepting Blood Transfusions? If so, why did this change? One Watchtower Article said that people who receive Blood Transfusions and are not repentant should be Disfellowshipped in order for the Congregation to be free of Bloodguilt. Or, if those statements by the Watchtower Spokesmen are not true, why did the Spokesmen say so?

    9: Can Jehovah's Witness Doctors or Nurses give Blood Transfusions to worldly people? If so, what are the Scriptural reasons for this?

    10: Can Jehovah's Witnesses accept Tetanus Vaccinations (Shots)? The February 1st, 1997 Watchtower said that Tetanus Shots contain Horse Blood, and the Article made it sound like Jehovah's Witnesses should not take Tetanus Shots. Is this true?

    11: Which of the following "Rules" or "Guidelines" are still in effect for Jehovah's Witnesses? (all of these "Rules" were mentioned in different Watchtower Publications):

    "Rule" One)

    Jehovah's Witnesses are not supposed to use any parts of Blood for any "useful purpose" after it has been removed from the body, and Blood must be disposed of, it cannot be stored at all.

    "Rule" Two)

    Jehovah's Witnesses are allowed to accept certain parts of Blood, if they are "only small fractions".

    "Rule" Three)

    Jehovah's Witnesses are allowed to accept any parts of Blood, as long as they are not used to "Nourish the Body" or "Save Your Life".

    "Rule" Four)

    Jehovah's Witnesses are allowed to accept all of the parts of Blood that naturally pass from the mother to the baby inside the womb, because Jehovah God would not break His own Laws on Blood.

    I have done research, and according to the Journal of American Medical Association (JAMA), and several other Medical Sources, Red Blood Cells and White Blood Cells from the Baby enter into the Mother's body inside the womb; and Whole Blood passes in between identical twins in the womb. Does this mean that Jehovah's Witnesses are allowed to accept Whole Blood, Red Blood Cells, and White Blood Cells because Jehovah God naturally causes this to happen in the womb?

    "Rule" Five)

    Jehovah's Witnesses are allowed to accept any Blood Fractions except for Red Blood Cells, White Blood Cells, Platelets, and Plasma.

    12: I have read in different Watchtower Publications, and News Articles, that all of the following Blood Fractions and Components are now allowed, is true? (I have read other Watchtower Publications that say these are not allowed)

    Hemoglobin, HemoPure, PolyHeme, Albumin, Factor VIII, Hemophiliac Preparations, Gamma Globulin, RH Immune Globulin, Globulin, Immunoglobulins, Globin Proteins, Interferons, Interleukins, Clotting Factors, Antibodies, Blood Plasma Proteins, Diptheria Toxin Antitoxin, Synthetic Hormone EPO (Erythropoietin), Vaccinations and Organ Transplants that contain Blood, Autologous Blood Transfusions (Auto Transfusions, where your own Blood flows through a tube to the Artificial Organ that pumps and filters or oxygenates it, and then it returns to the patient's circulatory system), and Hemodilution.

    13: Can Jehovah's Witnesses donate their own Blood Fractions for someone else to use?

    14: The May 15th 1984 Watchtower said that Jehovah's Witnesses could accept Bone Marrow Transplants even if the Bone Marrow has Blood inside. Is this true? If so, does that mean we can accept other Organ Transplants that contain Blood in the Organ? In News Articles, I have read that Jehovah's Witnesses have accepted Heart Transplants -- doesn't the Heart Organ contain Blood? The same Watchtower Article said that it was a "personal decision" on whether or not to accept Platelets or Red Blood Cells. Is this true?

    15: What exactly is the definition of "Misuse of Blood"?

    16: One Watchtower Article said that it was "up to your conscience" to take Blood, as long as it is only "a small amount". Would that not be the same as claiming that it is okay to do "a little bit of Fornication"? Also, exactly how much Blood would be "a small amount"?

    17: Is it true that, if a Baptized Jehovah's Witness receives a Blood Transfusion, and is not repentant, the Congregation will be Bloodguilty if they do not Disfellowship him?

    18: One Watchtower Article said that God's Law on Blood only applied to Dedicated Baptized Jehovah's Witnesses. Is this true?

    19: Are these parts of Blood allowed: Neutrohil, Monocyte, Lymphocyte, Eosinophil, or Basophil?

    20: Which part of Blood is the "soul" or "life" in?

    21: According to Medical Sources, Blood that is Transfused is not digested or absorbed by the body, but rather remains biologically and functionally intact. So how is a Blood Transfusion the same as "Eating Blood"? Doesn't this mean that Blood Transfusions are more like Organ Transplants and not Eating Blood?

    22: Some Watchtower Articles have said that if you were to accept a Blood Transfusion, Jehovah would not forgive you, and He would not resurrect you. One Article even said that if Jehovah's Witness Parents allowed a Doctor to give a Blood Transfusion to their Baby, that Jehovah would not resurrect the Baby, if the Baby died. Is this true?

    23: The 1990 Blood Brochure (Called "How Can Blood Save Your Life") stated the following things:

    * Jehovah's Witnesses cannot accept Whole Blood, Red Blood Cells, White Blood Cells, Platelets, or Plasma (Water with Proteins).

    * Jehovah's Witnesses cannot store their own Blood in order to take Fractions out of it.

    * Jehovah's Witnesses CAN accept other people's Blood Fractions.

    * Jehovah's Witnesses cannot accept Hemodilution

    * Jehovah's Witnesses cannot Homologous Blood (Where your own Blood is circulated through a Machine back to your Body) or Autologous Blood

    24: Which one of the following Watchtower Publications is correct?

    Quotes from Awake!, May 22nd 1994 Issue, Pages 2-13:

    Youths Who Put God First

    In former times thousands of youths died for putting God first. They are still doing it, only today the drama is played out in hospitals and courtrooms, with blood transfusions the issue.

    By rejecting blood transfusions that could conceivably have extended his present life

    , Adrian Yeatts showed himself to be one of the many young people who put God first. _____________________________________________

    Quote from The Watchtower, December 1st 1998 Issue, Page 14:

    Jehovah's Witnesses have been targets of false accusations--barefaced lies and twisted presentations of their beliefs... The accusation that numerous children of Jehovah's Witnesses die each year as a result of refusing blood transfusions is totally unfounded.
    _________________________________________________________________

    Questions about the "Child Protection Policy": 1: What is the Official Watchtower Society Child Abuse Policy?

    2: What is the Official Watchtower Society Response to Dateline, Panorama, Connie Chung, New York Times, etc.?

    3: If any parts of the Dateline, Panorama, Connie Chung, or New York Times were UNTRUE, then which part(s) were untrue? Please specify EXACTLY which parts were UNTRUE.

    4: And if any part(s) were untrue, then why hasn't the Watchtower Society SUED Dateline, Panorama, Connie Chung, New York Times, Bill Bowen, or Barbara Anderson for SLANDER or LIBEL? Or at the very least, why haven't they posted on the Official Watchtower Website that the information was untrue?

    5: According to different Watchtower Society Statements, one of the following things is true, which
    one is true?:

    Must there be 2 Eye-Witnesses to the SAME ACT in order to find the accused pedophile guilty?

    OR

    Can there be Eye-Witnesses to 2 separate events by the same person?

    If the the latter one is true, then has this always been so?

    6: If a Child comes to the Elders and tells them that her/his Father (or other Relative in the Child's House) is molesting her/him, and the Child does not have any other Eye-Witnesses, and they are not in a State which requires Clergy to Report a Pedophile to the Police, and the accused Pedophile denies it, will the Elders do anything? Will the Elders send the Child back home with the accused Molester?

    7: If an accused, confessed, or convicted child molester moves into my Congregation, will I be notified? Will any of the Parents with Children be notified?

    8: If a Pedophile molested a Child, and the Pedophile was NOT found guilty by the Elders, would the Parents of the Child be allowed to warn other Parents in the Congregation to keep their Children away from him, without the threat of being Disfellowshipped and/or Shunned for Slander or Gossip?

    9: If a Pedophile denied that he molested a Child, and there were not 2 Witnesses, would the Elders discipline him in any way? What exactly do the Elders do when the Pedophile denies it and there is only 1 Witness?

    10: If the State where I live does not require Clergy to report a Pedophile to the Police, will the Elders make a Report to the Police?

    11: If the 2-Witness Rule is so extremely important, why is it okay for Elders to ignore the 2-Witness Rule if the State requires Clergy to Report to the Police, however, it is Against Jehovah's Law for Elders to Report to the Police if there is only 1 Witness in a NON-Mandatory Clergy Reporting State?

    12: If, as an adult, someone accuses an Elder of molesting her/him when the Victim was a Child, and the Pedophile denies it, would he then stop serving as an Elder?

    13: If a child molester is Disfellowshipped or Reproved, is the Congregation notified that he is a Pedophile? If they aren't notified, doesn't that mean, that when he is Re-Instated, no one will ever know to keep their Children away from him (except the Elders)?

    14: Is the Accused, Confessed, Convicted, or Known Pedophile's Wife, Children, Grandchildren, or other immediate Family Members notified about him being a Pedophile?

    15: According to the January 1st 1997 Watchtower Issue, Known child molesters are ENCOURAGED to go
    Door-To-Door. Is this true?

    16: Are child molesters ever allowed to go Door-To-Door alone? Or are they required to go with someone else? If they are required to go with another person, has this always been the Policy, and could the 2nd person also possibly be a Pedophile? Who decides who the 2nd person will be? How would the members of the Congregation know that he was not supposed to go Door-To-Door alone?

    17: Do you think it is safe or the Christian thing to do, to have PREDATORS go Door-To-Door searching for more Children to molest? (Sometimes Children open the house doors themselves)

    18: Is it true that, if the State does not require Clergy to Report Pedophiles to the Police, that even if a Pedophile is Disfellowshipped, the Elders will not notify the Police (even anonymously)?

    19: If that is true, doesn't that mean then basically that, the Elders kick him out of the Congregation so he can go and molest "Worldly People"? (Non-JW's)

    20: Are Pedophiles allowed to become Ministerial Servants, Elders, or Overseers, if enough time has passed? (The January 1st 1997 Watchtower Article said NEVER, but a few months after that Article came out, Bethel sent a Confidential Letter to the Elders telling them YES, so Which is true? Also, were Pedophiles allowed to become Elders or Ministerial Servants before that 1997 Article?)

    21: Is an Investigation initiated by the Elders if only one person accuses someone of molesting a Child? (Watchtower Society's Main Spokesman J.R. Brown told the Media NO, but the Official Watchtower Society Media Website says YES, so which is true? Has this always been the Policy?)

    22: Why do Elders only Report child molesters in States that REQUIRE it?

    23: Why is the Number # 1 Priority for Elders when a child molestation accusation is made, to Call the Watchtower Bethel LEGAL DEPARTMENT?

    24: Is there any way for a person to know how many (and who) Molesters are in their Congregation?

    25: Bruce Waite, a Jehovah's Witness from the Draffenville Kentucky Congregation (Bill Bowen's Congregation), told the Media that the Elders DISCOURAGE Parents from warning other people about the Pedophile. Is this true?

    26: Are World-Wide (or Local) Donations ever used to pay for Attorneys to defend an accused child molester? Has this EVER happened?

    27: Are World-Wide (or Local) Donations ever used to pay out Child Abuse Victims Lawsuits? Has this EVER happened?

    28: Does the Watchtower Society have a Record or Database of Accused Pedophiles? If so, is it true that you do not turn in any of those Records to the Police? If so, why is that?

    29: Is it true that you do not let any of the Jehovah's Witnesses know who is in your Pedophile Database? You don't even warn other Parents?

    30: How many accused Pedophiles are in your Records?

    31: Why did you not require 2 Eye-Witnesses against Bill Bowen, Barbara Anderson, Joe Anderson, Carl Pandelo, and Barbara Pandelo when they were Disfellowshipped?

    32: The Watchtower Society teaches that ALL Elders and Overseers are chosen by Jehovah's Holy Spirit,
    correct?

    What though, if later, it is discovered that a person had molested Children BEFORE he was appointed an Elder or Overseer?

    Did Jehovah's Holy Spirit appoint a child molester as an Elder or Overseer?

    Or was he NEVER appointed by Jehovah's Holy Spirit?

    Who was he appointed by then?

    33: That must mean that NOT ALL Elders and Overseers are appointed by Jehovah's Holy Spirit, correct?

    34: If someone molested Children BEFORE he was Baptized, and the Elders later find out about it, will the Elders inform the Police or the Congregation or the molester's immediate Family Members?

    35: "The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived" Book, and several other Watchtower Publications, state that whenever 2 or 3 Elders have a Judicial Hearing in Jesus Christ's Name, that Jesus is there in their midst and that He has the Elders make the same decision that was already decided in Heaven. Is this correct?

    Why then, do you have Appeals of Judicial Hearings? How is there any way that the Elders could have made the wrong decision since Jesus was there in their midst causing them to make the right decision? If the Elders get it wrong in a Judicial Hearing, was the wrong decision made in Heaven?

    Or, was Jesus NEVER involved in the Judicial Hearing that had the wrong decision being made?

    36: Is it against the Watchtower Society's Rules to go to the Media and speak out about a Bad Policy of the Watchtower Society? If so, why?

    37: In the Official Statement that the Watchtower Society gave Connie Chung, it stated that Child Abuse Victims are given "Ongoing Counseling". Is this true? If so, when did this start? What kind of Counseling, and how long?

    38: Is it true that the November 15th 1973 Watchtower Issue says that Jehovah's Witnesses CANNOT take a fellow Jehovah's Witness to Court if it is going to "Bring reproach on the Congregation" unless that Jehovah's Witness has been Disfellowshipped first?

    39: As Christians, are we under the Law of Moses?

    Christians are supposed to be under the Law of the Love of Christ, correct?

    As Christians, we are supposed to live by 2 Commandments -- Love Jehovah God and Jesus Christ and Love your Neighbor as Yourself, correct?

    We are supposed to follow the Golden Rule Do to others what you want them to do to you, correct?

    Are we, as Christians, supposed to have RIGID Rules? Christians are supposed to live by PRINCIPLES of the Bible, correct?

    40: Do you think the RIGID 2-Witness Rule for Child Abuse is following the Law of the Love of Christ?

    41: If a Pedophile is taken to Court, and in the Trial, they find him Guilty, but there were not 2-Witnesses, will he be Disfellowshipped? Or will he remain in Good Standing? And then when and if he ever gets out of jail, will he still be in Good Standing in the Congregation?

    42: If the Bethel Legal Department tells the Elders NOT to turn in a Pedophile to the Police, and then one of the Elders decides to make a Report to the Police anyway, will that Elder be Disciplined or Removed?

    43: Does the "Matthew 18:15 Rule" apply to Child Abuse? (November 1st 1995 Watchtower Article says YES!)

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