A new generation of anointed that will not pass away. (page 10)

TonusOH

So, what the title of the thread means is... thousands now living will never die?

Vanderhoven7

@ Fisherman

Obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

Perhaps there is some hope for you.

The great tribulation will “shortly” hit any day now just as wt has been saying all along

The WTS has been saying this for 130 years... often encouraging people not to have children or go to college.

and since it will happen before the new generation of “anointed” passes away, this would prove
that the latest generation definition of inter-lapping anointed is right on the money.

Every time Jesus spoke of "this generation", he was referring to the wicked and unbelieving, never the anointed.

No other definition of generation is possible to fulfill the prophecy: “This generation will by no means pass away..” —Which according to wt is based on passing away with relation to the year 1914.

1914 was and still is bogus and absolutely spurious to scripture. It has nothing to do with faith in Christ or God's approval...and yet the WTS will refuse Christian baptism to anyone who does not believe in the 1914 invisible presence doctrine.

Nowhere in the gospels is it even hinted at that a generation overlaps. The WT must make up this concept to fit their 1914 narrative.

The question is... how "generation" and specifically, "this generation" is used in the New Testament?

Vanderhoven7

@ Fisherman

Which generation was Christ referring to in Matthew 24:34?

The Greek word “genea” (pronounced ghen-eh-ah') appears thirteen times in Matthew's gospel. Four times it is used to delineate “one set of parents to the next”. Ignoring Matthew 24:34 for the moment, in every other appearance, including 6 of the instances Matthew places the definite article “this” (houtos) before “generation”, “this generation” (houtos genea), in context, clearly cover the same group of people -i.e. “Christ's unbelieving contemporaries”


Mt 11:16 But to what shall I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the market places, who call out to the other children, (the persons then living contemporary with Christ)

Mt 12:41 The men of Nineveh will stand up with this generation at the judgment, and will condemn it because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, something greater than Jonah is here. (the persons then living contemporary with Christ)


Mt 12:42 "The Queen of the South will rise up with this generation at the judgment and will condemn it, because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and behold, something greater than Solomon is here. (the persons then living contemporary with Christ).


Mt 12:45 "Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself.... That is the way it will also be with this evil generation ." (the persons then living contemporary with Christ)


Mt 17:17 And Jesus answered and said, "You unbelieving and perverted generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I put up with you? ..." (the persons then living contemporary with Christ)


Mt 23:36 "Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Reading Mt.23:36 in context again shows " the persons then living contemporary with Christ are being referred to:

29. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and garnish the tombs of the righteous, 30 and say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we should not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 31 Wherefore ye witness to yourselves, that ye are sons of them that slew the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. :33 Ye serpents, ye offspring of vipers, how shall ye escape the judgment of Gehenna? 34 Therefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: some of them shall ye kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city: 35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. (the persons then living contemporary with Christ)
Mt 24:34 "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

On the basis of all prior usage in Matthew's gospel, and in all four gospels, what generation (houtos genea) was Jesus referring to Matthew 24:34?

Fisherman

My point is that everybody that was at least born in the year 1914 ( except for a couple of cats ) kicked the bucket aka passed away. But Jesus said that a generation linked with his tribulation prophecy which he refers to as “this generation” ( but does not identify it ) would not pass away “until all these things occur” —which includes the great tribulation.

I am looking at this prophecy not from personal views expressed by some here but as WT interprets its fulfillment relative to 1914. Given WT interpretation of 1914 is correct ( and it is! ) the only possible definition of generation that will not pass away is the overlap. There is no other possible definition so the great tribulation must hit shortly before the second group of anointed die off.

Fisherman

So, what the title of the thread means is... thousands now living will never die?

No. Thousands of anointed must die to go to heaven but millions or more of the great crowd will never die!

Vanderhoven7

@Fisherman

There is not one scripture to support 1914 or overlapping anointed.

It seems that scriptural usage means nothing to you. Nowhere is generation overlap presented or explained by the gospel writers. In all 4 gospels, "this generation" refers consistently to Christ's own evil generation.

Do you think people who don't believe in 1914 can be saved?

If, they cannot be saved, when did it first become necessary for salvation/justification to believe in 1914 as the start of the invisible presence?

Repentance and faith in Christ and His work are required for salvation, but I don't see believing in dates or in men as a requirement.

waton

the only possible definition of generation that will not pass away is the overlap. There is no other possible definition so the great tribulation must hit shortly before the second group of anointed die off. Fisherman,

You have not addressed the main issue, namely that wt is not correct. because according to their writers

The anointed will pass away not until all has passed, but before it even starts. and

calculations based on David Splane's talk on the chart,

the overlapping groups do not expire until 2075.

2 centenarians overlapping by 20 years each.

200 minus 40 equals 160 plus 1014 comes to ~ 2075 allowing for a few years of tribulating.

put that in your pipe and smoke it. so much for the wt "soon".

Fisherman

this generation" refers consistently to Christ's own evil generation.

In Mathew 17:17, what generation is Jesus referring to? His Apostles? So it seems. At the Olivette so it seems that Jesus iss referring to his contemporaries evil generation but closer reading reveals that since no sign would given to that evil generation, this generation at the olivette refers to his disciples who were given the sign: “ What will be the sign of your parousia. Jesus proceeds to give the sign not the the evil generation which no sign would be given to except the sign of Jonah, but the sign would be given to his disciples, the generation that would not pass away until all these things occur. Similarly if you apply to 1914 the sign and the generation it refers to the anointed and not to people in general.

Disillusioned JW

Vanderhoven7, are you a preterist? Do you believe Jesus made his second coming in 70 CE and that he thus will not come in the future? Do you believe a rapture of anointed Christians took place in 70 CE?

waton

Similarly if you apply to 1914 the sign and the generation it refers to the anointed and not to people in general. Fisherman

you have not come to term with what the bible really says.

The generation will pass on, after all has occurred.

It can not possibly the wt anointed, they pass away heavenward at the start of the Great Tribulation,

It can not be the wicked generation, they will die during, not after all occurs, in paradise.

It can not the sheep, they go off into everlasting life, they will not die. right away.

the generation must be those that die in the final test. at the four corners of the Earth.

If you value truth, you would try to refute those bible / wt facts.

Your silence signals submission.

A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

Which generation was Christ referring to in Matthew 24:34?

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