Romans 9:5

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    2 Timothy 3:16,17


    "All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work."


    @aqwsed12345, if you want to, you can cut-n-paste and disregard the scriptures that don't fit your personal ideas on life, but I don't recommend it.


    Galatians 6:7


    "Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a person is sowing, this he will also reap."


    Jesus doesn't agree with you. He didn't say that the "Old Testament" had less value today.


    Matthew 5:17-20


    "Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill. Truly I say to you that sooner would heaven and earth pass away than for one smallest letter or one stroke of a letter to pass away from the Law until all things take place. Whoever, therefore, breaks one of these least commandments and teaches others to do so will be called least in relation to the Kingdom of the heavens. But whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in relation to the Kingdom of the heavens. For I say to you that if your righteousness does not surpass that of the scribes and the Pharisees, you will by no means enter into the Kingdom of the heavens."

    I even asked a native Hebrew rabbi about this, and he also professed this interpretation.


    Well, there's your problem, aqwsed12345, you are putting more value on the words of scholars and scribes and "Rabbis" than on what Jesus said.


    Matthew 23:8-13


    "But you, do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your Teacher, and all of you are brothers. Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One. Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ. But the greatest one among you must be your minister. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut up the Kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in."

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    The phrase ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς (ho ōn epi pantōn theos, “who is over all, God”) is most naturally understood as modifying the nearest antecedent, ὁ Χριστός (ho Christos, “Christ”). Greek grammar heavily favors the attribution of a relative clause to the nearest antecedent unless specific indicators suggest otherwise. Breaking the sentence after τὸ κατὰ σάρκα (to kata sarka, “according to the flesh”) requires inserting a pause not demanded by the Greek text. Such a construction introduces an unnatural division in the sentence, making it less coherent.

    The broader context of Romans 9:1–5 is Paul enumerating the privileges of Israel, culminating in the greatest privilege: that the Messiah, Jesus Christ, came from their lineage. Transitioning abruptly to a doxology about God the Father after mentioning Christ disrupts this rhetorical flow and detracts from the climactic point about Christ’s divine identity.

    Early Church Fathers, such as Irenaeus, Tertullian, and Athanasius, unanimously understood this verse as affirming Christ’s divinity.

    • Irenaeus: “Paul declares that Christ is God.” (Against Heresies, 3.16.3).
    • Tertullian: “The apostle speaks of Christ as ‘God over all.’” (Against Praxeas, 13).

    These interpretations predate later theological disputes, demonstrating the natural reading of the text as affirming Christ’s deity.

    While Paul does not frequently use the term theos for Christ, his writings unmistakably affirm Christ’s divinity in other ways:

    • Philippians 2:6: Christ, "existing in the form of God" (μορφῇ θεοῦ, morphē theou), did not regard equality with God as something to exploit.
    • Colossians 2:9: “In Him dwells all the fullness of deity (θεότητος, theotētos) bodily.”
    • 1 Corinthians 8:6: Paul places Christ alongside God the Father in a reworking of the Shema, attributing divine functions to Christ as the agent of creation.

    Romans 9:5 fits within Paul’s broader Christological framework, in which Christ is depicted as divine, worthy of worship, and coequal with God. While infrequent, Paul's application of divine titles to Christ is not unheard of:

    • Titus 2:13: “Our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ” (τοῦ μεγάλου θεοῦ καὶ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ).
    • Romans 10:13: Paul applies Joel 2:32 (“Everyone who calls on the name of Yahweh will be saved”) to Christ.

    The rarity of theos for Christ underscores its significance in Romans 9:5, emphasizing Christ’s unparalleled divine status.

    Critics propose that ὁ ὢν (the one who is) could be a scribal addition and suggest a hypothetical original reading: ὧν ὁ (of whom). However, this claim is speculative and unsupported by manuscript evidence. All extant Greek manuscripts unanimously support the reading ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς without any variants suggesting ὧν ὁ. Introducing such a change reflects conjecture rather than textual evidence. Metzger himself acknowledges that “there is no evidence in the manuscripts to support such a correction.” The hypothetical reading (ὧν ὁ ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς) proposed by Fitzmyer lacks parallels in Greek syntax and would create an awkward and unnatural phrase.

    Some modern translations (e.g., Goodspeed, Moffatt) reflect theological biases rather than the natural reading of the Greek text. By introducing ambiguity, these translations attempt to avoid the clear attribution of divinity to Christ. The traditional rendering (“Christ, who is over all, God blessed forever”) is supported by numerous major translations, including the KJV, ESV, NASB, NIV, and Catholic NAB.

    Critics argue that Paul typically directs doxologies to God the Father. However, this general pattern does not preclude exceptions, especially in passages emphasizing Christ’s unique status. Romans 9:5 is consistent with other Pauline texts where worship and exaltation are directed to Christ (e.g., Philippians 2:10–11, Colossians 1:15–20).

    Raymond Brown is cited as acknowledging the ambiguity of Romans 9:5. Critics argue that ambiguous texts should not be used to establish doctrine. However the doctrine of Christ’s divinity is not derived from a single verse but is supported by the broader testimony of Scripture, including John 1:1, John 20:28, Philippians 2:6, Colossians 2:9, and Hebrews 1:3,8. Romans 9:5 complements this broader witness, providing additional evidence rather than standing alone as definitive proof. While Raymond Brown acknowledges interpretive challenges, he does not deny the plausibility of the traditional reading. Ambiguity in translation does not negate the validity of the text as part of the cumulative biblical witness.

    In conclusion, the traditional reading of Romans 9:5, identifying Christ as “God over all, blessed forever,” is strongly supported by grammar, context, and the broader Pauline corpus. Arguments against this interpretation rely on speculative textual reconstructions, modern theological biases, and an inconsistent application of interpretive principles. While Romans 9:5 is not the sole foundation of Christ’s divinity, it remains a clear and powerful affirmation of His divine status within the overarching testimony of Scripture.

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