JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time (page 3)

truthlover123

Meant to say, this is the one I choose back then but this is not the same one I know now......

FedUpJW - point taken about the WT study. It's true that it totally depends on the kind of study conductor you have in your congregation and whether you have enough people there who actually bother to put the answers in their own words rather than parrot what's on the page or waffle on for several minutes.

But ExBethelite was saying that nothing much on the meeting schedule requires real effort by elders anymore and I was basically agreeing. The only meeting assignments that need any kind of effort for an elder to do properly are the public talk and WT study - the rest can be skimmed.

Of course, it's by no means guaranteed the WT study will be done properly, and probably the majority of study conductors don't know how to do them well or can't be bothered any more.

Rattigan350

"(Acts 1:7) “It does not belong to you (the "anointed") to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction."

No, he was not referring to the anointed. The "you" was the ones he was speaking to.

I don't like it when people take something that Jesus or the apostles say in their present and apply to the people of today.

ThomasMore

Journeyman - how about "Constant Redactions" ? Does that fit into your list?

ThomasMore

where did the entire 1914/607/adventist root thing start?

Basically grew into a packaged teaching that solidified in the 1920's during the Rutherford area. That alone makes it suspect for being totally wrong.

FedUpJW

the majority of study conductors don't know how to do them well or can't be bothered any more.

100% correct.

SydBarrett

"Basically grew into a packaged teaching that solidified in the 1920's during the Rutherford area. That alone makes it suspect for being totally wrong."

I thought CT Russell was the brains behind the 607/1914 nonsense...Is that not correct?

road to nowhere

An honest look at the roots finds the ideas and dogma are an outgrowth of the American movements: 7th day, Christian science, millerites etc. Find any " truth" and you will find it copied from a church somewhere

TD

I thought CT Russell was the brains behind the 607/1914 nonsense...Is that not correct?

CT Russel had rejected Adventist chronology and date setting prior to meeting Nelson Barbour in 1876. (I am paraphrasing the July 15, 1906 issue of Zion's Watch Tower where Russell himself explained all of this at length.)

Barbour taught that the Gentile Times were a 2520 year period running from 606BC to 1914AD; that an invisible presence of Christ had commenced in 1874 and that there would be a 40 year harvest culminating in 1914, which would see the start of the Millennium.

Barbour had outlined this chronology in his own periodical, Herald of the Morning in 1875 and Russell was so intrigued by it, that he paid Barbour's expenses to meet with him and explain it further.

Convinced of Barbour's reasoning, the two men jointly published Three Worlds And The Harvest Of This World, which explained the chronology in book form.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

All this confusion about the where the 1914 thing started is going to be good for the Borg when they try to get away from it.

it would be great if someone could come up with a concise explanation

JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time

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