I don't recall any articles with parents not eating with their children.
Court case Jehovah's Witnesses Norway kicked off
by AndersonsInfo 57 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Fisherman
Noted: Brilliant and funny analysts.
When are they going to stop liking putting people in jail or enforcing restraining orders to separate law breakers (based on secular standards) from children and their families and from society. People are so funny.
Bet petrodollars to donuts that a reversal is looming or the European Court will act similarly. Democratic governments have no jurisdiction telling religion how to adjudicate sin.Mormon, Jews, the Catholic church also practice excommunication. A club member can’t go around breaking rules without consequences from the club and then go to government to force the club to take them back because the club should not enforce their own beliefs and practices as the JW put it before the Canadian Supreme Court decided in JW favor.
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Beth Sarim
Its good to see Scandinavian countries looking at the Borg and it's harmful practices at least.
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Beth Sarim
Thats probably what all these recent elders meetings and updates to the not so secret "Sheppard the Flock of God" book are all about.
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TonusOH
Compare disfellowshipping someone to a jail sentence: the DF'ed person is free to move about as he pleases, but his friends and family cannot speak to him, lest they also be DF'ed. The jailed person is not free to move about as he pleases, but his friends and family can continue to have contact with him, without adverse risk.
Compare shunning to a restraining order: a restraining order can be requested by a person who feels threatened by another and seeks a legal ruling to force that person to stay outside of a proscribed distance, or avoid certain methods of interaction. Shunning is mandated by an organization, is not done at the request of an individual, and cannot be rescinded by anyone but the organization.
If the government of the Netherlands had never allowed clergy to sign marriage licenses and had not agreed to subsidize religions with an annual stipend, JWs would still be able to practice their religion, including the ability to disfellowship and shun their members. As the WTS claims to be no part of this world, they should not really have an issue with this ruling, and should hold it up as an example of how they remain separate from the world unlike other religious organizations.
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Vidiot
Beth Sarim - “…it’s good to see Scandinavian countries looking at the Borg and it's harmful practices at least.”
Interesting turn of phrase, considering “Borg” is a Scandinavian surname.
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Vidiot
The Org’s response to this really is disproportional.
Either they’ve bought into their own internal rhetoric so fully that they can’t imagine losing, or…
…they really need the money way more badly than we ever thought.
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Vanderhoven7
Yes but governments have a right to withdraw taxpayers money to organizations they believe are harming children and adults and unnecessarily breaking up families in the process.
They might even use the money they save to inform the public about the dangers of associated with certain groups, religious or otherwise.
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Fisherman
governments have a right
Other entities too
“unnecessarily” breaking up families
(lol)
My friend never a JW instead of just enjoying his JW family calls the grandchildren up to wish them a happy birthday, Easter bunnies and chocolate eggs etc and keeps pushing his morality and beliefs upon his family. So you know what his family did??? On the other hand a JW family I know lets the DF grandfather see his grandkids. He loves them and loves his son so he doesn’t push his non JW lifestyle on them. But JW belief or not what do you think will happen if grandpa is or becomes a bad influence?
I think it has nothing to do with JW DF standards. Family won’t have anything to do with you if you are a bad influence which is usually the case. Rarely is a df family member good company because they keep pushing their beliefs instead of simply and quietly and trustingly enjoy the grandkids.
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Listener
Fisherman, what you consider to be a 'bad influence' is way over the top. Even more so when it comes to a Grandparent wishing what he thinks is the best for his grandchildren.
In my morality book, a grandparent should be given way more respect, patience, kindness, love, self control, understanding, mildness, consideration and appreciation than anyone else by his own children. If his peaceful beliefs infringe on his children's or grandchildrens then he should be given a wide berth.