The fading of a well known American religion. Could this happen someday to Jehovah's Witnesses?

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  • Balaamsass2
    Balaamsass2

    New York Times 9/5/24

    " THERE ARE ONLY TWO SHAKERS LEFT. THEY'VE STILL GOT UTOPIA IN THEIR SITES.

    "By Jordan Kisner

    Jordan Kisner is a contributing writer for the magazine. She spent almost two years interviewing the last two members and their group of friends for this article.

    • Sept. 5, 2024

    The youngest Shaker in the world is 67 years old, and his name is Arnold. He lives alongside Sister June, 86, in a magnificent brick building designed to sleep about 70 — the dwelling house of the last active Shaker village in the world, at Sabbathday Lake in Maine. Together they constitute one of the longest-running utopian experiments in America.

    It’s a triumph, as utopian experiments aren’t known for their durability, though the impulse — to start afresh apart from the mess of mainstream society, to reinvent society with like-minded people — has always been strong here. Out of the many that America has fostered, this is one of the most abiding. Out of the tens of thousands of Shakers who have lived out their faith in the last quarter-millennium, these two remain.

    Brother Arnold Hadd and Sister June Carpenter live in an active village that is also a museum — they are inhabitants and custodians and exhibit all at once. Sabbathday Lake is a tidy, elegant configuration of buildings anchored by the brick dwelling house, constructed when the brethren numbered around 200. The Shakers maintain a small farm, with a herd of 70 sheep and four cows, and they sell herbs and teas harvested from their garden as well as furniture, beeswax candles and other “fancy goods.” Curious members of the public drive through even when Sabbathday Lake is closed to visitors, and pop out of their cars to wander up and down the dirt driveway, squinting at the Meeting House. Brother Arnold — Shakers go by their title and first name only — frequently comes out to greet people who show up, though he no longer offers tours. One weekend, two teenagers knocked on the kitchen door to ask if they could hunt turkey in the Shakers’ woods. He told them to go ahead."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/05/magazine/shakers-utopia.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Ik4.4mTp.P3Kqp4nPEf_E&smid=url-share

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    I don't think so. The shakers were more liberal in some ways, in particular the role of women( they regarded men and women as equals). However, they were flat out opposed to sex. And never had the numbers that JW's have.

  • NotFormer
    NotFormer

    Well of course they are dying out. They don't procreate.

    The only reason the JWs are around in great numbers today is because of the "born-ins". A lot of JWs defied the leadership's disdain for spouses and children and reproduced. It's a paradox that always has me scratching my head.

    On the Shaker story, surely there must be a few people in this day and age who would be willing to join a blissful rural lifestyle. Brother Arnold and Sister June couldn't be that unpleasant to be around.

  • Balaamsass2
    Balaamsass2

    I have always found the Shakers, Amish, Quakers, and Mennonites fascinating. I was surprised the Shaker membership had dropped to TWO seniors- no wonder I never met one in field Service.

    My wife's (3rd Gen) German maternal ancestors were from a Germanic Mennonite/Lutheran group.

    When I first went to Bethel, I almost expected an almost ascetic environment. I was quickly disabused of that notion after my first week of breakfast announcements of "family member" disfellowshippings. :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ9kig2y91s

  • TonusOH
    TonusOH

    Talk about planned obsolescence!

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    One day the last J.W will look sadly out of the window of their Care Home and think " I thought the New System would be here by now".

  • road to nowhere
    road to nowhere

    Phizzy. Now really.

    Christian Science, Russelites, chrustaedlohians.

  • Beth Sarim
    Beth Sarim

    Phizzy;

    I hear this all the time:

    ""I thought I'd never grow old in this 'system' ".

    Rinse & repeat.

  • NotFormer
    NotFormer

    "chrustaedlohians"

    That's gotta be the worst case of "please excuse any errors, I'm typing this on my phone" I've ever seen 😱

    I'm assuming "Christadelphians"? 🤔

    They actually experienced (or seemingly experienced) a resurgence in the nineties. The newly emerged internet was estimating their number as about 100,000 worldwide, whereas the "anti-cult" literature of previous decades only had them around 20,000. But like most Christian denominations and -isms, they've since declined, to about half that (50,000), according to Wikipedia. Australia holds the dubious distinction of housing the highest number within the Anglosphere. Not surprised, actually, I've run into a few over the years.

    The decline of church attendance is real across the board, but as TonusOH above says, in this case, the obsolescence is built in. They used to be able to "reproduce" by adoption, but governments frown on adopting kids into an overtly religious environment these days, so that source of "born-ins" has dried up.

    Does the article* mention whether the two survivors were adopted, or were they converts?

    *It's behind a pay wall.

  • dropoffyourkeylee
    dropoffyourkeylee

    I’ve been to Sabbathday Lake. Stopped, looked around, bought some music cds of Shaker music ( Simple Gifts, etc). Did’t see or meet either of the two members.

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