Mikejw, same old lies then !
When JW.org drops 607BCE...
by Nathan Natas 153 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Mikejw
Todays WTower doubled down on 1914 and Jesus sat on his throne in that year.
but they twisted the truth a bit saying the early JWs looked to that year making it sound like they were right about it all.
no the truth is they were wrong before and they are still wrong now
Did anyone else notice that paragraph in last Sundays Watchtower?
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Mikejw
Is it likely that they will just not talk about it for long enough and hope people won’t remember?
they did that with hoping people would forget the direction to swap butter for margarine
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Vidiot
Yes, the Org has “painted themselves into a corner” (so, so many times), and yes, I used to think it would cause them problems...
…but by and large, the loyalist rank-and-file doesn’t seem to give a shit.
The thing about painting oneself into a corner…
…you can wait till the paint’s dry, walk across the room, and start again in another corner.
Remember, loyalists want the Org to
have the Truthbe right, so more often than not, they’ll welcome adjustments after the fact, and commend the WTS for making them (whilst denigrating “worldy” religions for doing the same fucking thing).Sorry to be the one to say it. 😕
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Mikejw
Many things yes but not this, there is no way they can ever get out of the 1914 seventy weeks from 607thing.
1919 governing body was chosen by Jesus, if this all falls apart then the GB lose all credibility
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ThomasMore
Mike JW, I used to think as you do, but after sliming myself down from head to toe, I was able to think like WTC - here's what they may do to squirm out of this one:
The GB of modern day was not formed until 1976. They will say that IBSA and JWs were selected by God in 1919 but the GB was selected much later.
Enter Brother Thinker: "But that doesn't make sense to me."
WTC: "You are an apostate! You are DF'd!"
Brother Thinker: I was already DF'd for refusing to grow a beard so...."
WTC: "Then you are double-DF'd now and you will never be reinstated."
Brother Thinker: "I wasn't planning on ever coming back. I made millions on Nvidia and have a home in Costa Rica."
WTC: We might consider taking you back if you say you are repentant. How many millions did you make by the way?"
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sloppyjoe2
If the ORG wanted to abandon 607, they could and would just get rid of it. There is nothing in the Bible that says you need to use the fall of Jerusalem to determine the last days. The Bible gives all those signs. In any case, if I were the org, I would only change one thing about 1914. I would say that 1914 was just the beginning of pangs of distress but identified the time of the end. I would make the last days start when the great tribulation starts. I would harp that we see the signs of pangs of distress now so the last days are very close. This fixes any “last days” going on for over one hundred years but keeps 1914 and therefore 1919. They could keep 607 or get rid of it, it really doesn’t matter. -
Rattigan350
"1919 governing body was chosen by Jesus, if this all falls apart then the GB lose all credibility"
Not true at all.
Sam Herd was born in 1934 and he is the oldest of the governing body so the governing body could not have been chosen in 1919.
In case you didn't know the GB of today is not the same as the one in the 80s and 70s. Prior it was the board of directors of the WTBTS.
Jesus didn't choose a Governing body or a board of directors. He observed people back in the early 1800s that were searching for truth in the scriptures. They searched chronology. Brown, Clinton, Bowen, Elliott, Barbour and Russell, Jesus saw them going in the right direction and observed and aided them. The GB doesn't need credibility because of 1919. 1919 was from that convention that they had then not because of chronology.
You all do know that the start of the gentile times is not based on the destruction of Jerusalem, as that was in 587. It was 20 years prior, in around 607. We don't know the exact event or dated that triggered the banding of the tree, stating that Russell was offbase for saying Oct 1, 1914 was the end,, but it is around that time.
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DesirousOfChange
Reading the above post brought to mind the statement: "You can't make this shit up".
Yet, WT does it all the time.
And WT's defenders/apologists do it at least as well as WT.
I've signed on with "You ain't gonna believe this shit!" crowd.
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Jeffro
Mikejw:
Many things yes but not this, there is no way they can ever get out of the 1914 seventy weeks from 607thing.
It is true that they can’t easily abandon 1914, but not for this reason. The ‘70 weeks’ (from Daniel chapter 9) has no direct bearing on the determination of 1914. The jw interpretation of the 70 weeks (as with various other Christian denominations, particularly other Adventists) is that it began during the reign of Artaxerxes and supposedly identified Jesus as the messiah. The JW interpretation is particularly wrong because their year for the supposed beginning of the period is 10 years out.
See also Daniel's dreams and visions and What does the Bible really teach about Daniel’s 70 weeks?