Please read what someone posted on Suicide, and tell me what you think

by LyinEyes 27 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Sabine
    Sabine

    My 21 year old daughter committed suicide the day after the elders threatened to disfellowship her. She left a suicide letter stating that Jehovah would not forgive her, that she had lied and since Satan is the father of the lie, she was under Satan's control, and that she couldn't face the shame of being publicly reproved and removed as a pioneer (she was a pioneer for 4 years right out of high school).

    I don't think I am unjustly blaming her suicide on religious indoctrination. If you read her suicide letter, I think you would definately blame her suicide on the JW religion and it's practice of disfellowshipping.

    Last summer another young man killed himself in parking lot of the Kingdom Hall we used to attend. He was having problems with the same P.O. that came and spoke to my daughter. Just a coincidence...I don't think so.

  • kgfreeperson
    kgfreeperson

    Oh, Sabine. I'm so sorry.

  • Mulan
    Mulan
    Jehovah would not forgive her, that she had lied

    more explanation on this one: She hadn't committed any great sin, except perhaps being attracted to a man that wasn't good for her, and lying about seeing him again. No sex involved. Such a tragedy for a young woman who was fighting her own natural instincts and trying to please everyone.

  • gumby
    gumby
    So until you walk this walk

    Dede,

    You said a mouthfull. This is so true. Those on this board who downplay the effects this F***** up Organisation has done in the lifes of others have no clue.

    Your last post should have made enough impact to shut the mouths of those who deny these things.

    {{{{{{{{{{{{{{ }}}}}}}}}}}}}}

    Gumby

  • Brummie
    Brummie

    I'm at work so this is a breif comment though I would have liked to have written a thesis..:)

    Any exjw who thinks the Watchtower doesnt cause suicide has forgotten where they have come from. I'm horrified by these stories sabine & lyin, I also arranged a funeral for a young man raised in the org who committed suicide. I know another young man who committed suicide to coincide with the night of the memorial. I helped another suicide attempt to see that there was life after the Wtower otherwise she would also be dead today. In 2000 a 38 yr old man whome I spoke to was threatening suicide soley because of the WT and him not being able to live outside of the Watchtower, they broke up his relationship with someone he loved, they hounded him, he asked me when it would stop haunting his mind. to cut a long story short he threw himself infront of a train.

    Prologue this is just an insensitve post you made, I'm sure you are just blinkered and didnt really mean harm, but you are among people who have suffered the consequences of the Watchtower and the majority of us have probably been so broken by the Watchtower that we all thought about suicide, even if only for a fleeting moment. We were all potential vicitims of this cult.

    Brummie

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan
    What do you know about suicide statistics? Do you actually know that the suicide rate among JW's is higher than the general population. You can't prove that because there would be no reliable source for such information

    Well, it would be nice if some university could conduct a study where they would interview enough JW's (current and former) and gather enough statistics to publish something meaningful about this matter. But, the WT has directed the congregations not to participate in any such studies or surveys and to direct any person who makes such an inquiry to contact Brooklyn (where they will probably be told in so many words to get lost) so I guess we'll never know.

  • DFWnonJW
    DFWnonJW

    Here's one for ya.

    One of my nephew's some 12 years ago was severely depressed and was seeking a way to end it all. From all accounts he had mental problems to start with (I hadn't seen him in years) but he had just survived a motorcycle accident albeit with head injuries and other physical damage. My sister was the passenger in the accident and has been quadraplegic since. To say the least, his mind was stressed.

    He knew my mom was a witness and talked to her frequently, especially about hell and eternal damnation. I was there one day when the topic came up and it was obvious he wanted out and wanted confirmation from my mom that there is no hell so he wouldn't be tormented for killing himself. My mom was like most witnesses in wanting to "give a witness" and proudly told what she knew - how death was the end. No more pain, no more suffering and certainly no devil to burn you up forever and ever... get the picture. He was ready to do it and she was, without sensing what he was up to, giving him the go ahead. I was shocked and had to get her away from him quick. I told her why he was asking and at least she realized she needed to be more careful what she was saying to him.

    He didn't go through with it mainly I think because he didn't know of a pain free way. He hated the thought of more pain. I don't know what has become of him since either but knowing how troubled he was and the fact that no one has heard from him in years makes me think he found a way.

  • LyinEyes
    LyinEyes

    I appreciate the comments so far, and I sincerely did not start this thread to blast Proplog, or attack him as a person. But....... I so strongly disagree with his idea , and I know there are lurkers out there, and I feel that the stories of those who have lived thru this need to voice their opinions on this matter. In this way those who are suffering depression, the ones who are too afraid to post out of fear of man, or whatever other borg related issues, can see that there is a way out of the deep gloom and despair of depression. If a person who is reading this right now was thinking of suicide , I would hope they would take to heart what so many of us are saying. Don't let this religion, this cult suck the life out of you, you are worth so much more and you may not be able to see it thru the guilt, the shame , that the JW's put you thru. I can be sure that , that is not the way Jesus meant for his flock to be treated and it is a shame that the Elders so many times, take it upon themselves to tell people they don't need therapy, or they don't need antidepressants, but they should be praying more and studying more, more field service as a prescription, when that is so far from the truth. Depression is an illness as real as diabetes.

    Shamus said something that made me think of my own situation. I have suffered from mood swings and depression all of my life , even before my mom killed herself.

    About 6 years ago, I really wanted to die, I didnt want to kill myself in the way that I thought it out, I just wanted to go to sleep forever, but I didnt want to hurt anyone and I didnt want to leave my hub and children, but I did just suffer thru many years while a JW, feeling, guilt, shame , and like I let everyone down because I couldnt snap out of it, I couldnt feel better. I didnt want to go to meetings, service and I didnt want to hear them telling me I should do more.

    If I would have stayed in that religion, I might not be here today. Plain and simple. It literally shakes me up to think what a strong hold that religion had on me, it was the only way I could identify myself , was with it. I based myself as a person on how much I was doing as a witness.

    Since I have been out,,,,,,,,,,2 years, I still suffer from occasional mood swings and depression, that is just part of who I am. But I see it for what it is now, it is a physical problem not a spiritual one, and I dont hate myself for it anymore. I just go day to day learning to love myself, or at least get along with myself.......lol. and I know the days are getting better all the time.

    I so badly wish all these poor souls who committed suicide had the chance that I did, to have gotten out of the borg and really been set free like Shamus said. Everyone deserves to be free.

    Sabine,,,,,,, I remember you telling me this before, and I tell you I can not imagine the anger , the pain you must be feeling. I mean I love my mom, I miss her greatly,,,,,,,,,but it is nothing compared to how I feel about my precious children. I am just so very sorry that your daughter is gone. It is not fair, it is not right......... I swear to God,,,,,, I hope there is a Heaven ,an afterlife, just so you can be with your daughter again...... I really think there has to be something better out there, and maybe she and my mother are living in peace and are in a beautiful place , waiting for us.

  • wednesday
    wednesday

    I was so depressed at one time, i nearly was a suicide. So don't tll me JWS don't push people over the edge-they do, and they have no mercy for those ill, and needing help. If u are not strong-u do not survive.

    So go sell your story someplace else prolog, i have been there and nearly been one of the suicdes and will never let them do it to me again.

  • LyinEyes
    LyinEyes

    (((((((( wednesday and everyone))))))))) hugs and hugs and more hugs, I am so glad you are still here to contribute your stories to help others , and it pleases me so much to know that so many do find real life and real happiness in your freedom from the borg.

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