72 Virgins for Martyrs !!! Here are the facts.

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  • Amazing
    Amazing

    I have worked with many Islamic men. Most all were from Iran (Persia), Syria, Jordan, Palestine, and Egypt. All were either Sunni or Shiite. One was of the Wahabi sect, and hated Jews. Our Engineering Manager was Jewish, and there was friction for the Palestinian fellow. ALL of these men acknowledged that Islam does provide for the reward of 72 Virgins (wives) in Paradise (some believe in heaven and some believe in an earthly paradise with Allah ruling by Theocracy. (Sound familiar?) Those believing in heaven also spoke of getting a Condominium in the Sky with Allah and their 72 virgins.

    The following is a fairly recent discussion on the topic from the Middle East Media Research Institute:

    "According to Islamic tradition, Sheikh Palazzi states there are 72 wives for every believer who is admitted to Paradise, not only for a martyr. The proof is in a Hadith (Islamic tradition) collected by Al-Tirmidhi in the Book of Sunan (volume IV, chapters on "The Features of Paradise as described by the Messenger of Allah," Chapter 21: "About the Smallest Reward for the People of Paradise," Hadith 2687)." [Ref. http://www.likud.nl/extr147.html ]

    So, while certain posters who try to obsfucate matters by saying that the Koran (Q'uran) does not teach that Martyrs receive 72 virgins, they mislead us by not telling the facts. Not only do Martyrs get the reward, but so do ALL faithful Islamic men. And the women they receive are actually called wives ... but when they are betrothed, they start out as virgins ... and then become wives ... suggesting to even the most brain dead infidel that sex takes place somewhere in Paradise accoridng the the will of Allah ... for faithful men that is.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Amazing, I suppose the martyrs get their 72 virgins sooner though.

    I almost hate to ask what do the married women who go to Paradise get?

    Blondie

  • Hamas
    Hamas

    Some Christians believe that they shall live on earth for a 1000 years then go to heaven

    Some Christians believe they shall be taken to heaven as soon as Christ arrives

    Some Christians believe God and Jesus are different people

    Some Christians believe God and Jesus are the same

    Some Christians believe they are saved if they have faith alone

    Some Christians believe they must work out their salvation


    Some Muslims believe they shall inherit 72 virgins

    Some Muslims do not believe they shall inherit 72 virgins

    You quote from a Hadith. A Hadith is the words of an Islamic scholar based on his opinion. It is not the words of the Holy Quran.

    Christians have a variety of different opinions, based on what they are taught by Christian scholars. A perfect example of this is Jehovah's Witnesses, believing in whatever the Watchtower tells them. In this same manner, Muslims have a variety of different opinions, taught to them by Muslim teachers. Just as nowhere in the bible will you find the words 'Jesus is God' , likewise no where in the Quran will you find the words ' you get 72 virgins for dying a martyr'.

  • berylblue
    berylblue
    I almost hate to ask what do the married women who go to Paradise get

    They apparently get to share one man with 71 other women..... Even in Islamic "heaven", a faithful woman gets screwed... (but not, obviously, until she patiently waits her turn).

    Rosemarie

  • Kenneson
    Kenneson

    "Osama Bin Laden is in for a big surprise. When he gets to heaven, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison are going to kick his a--. Muslim scholars have revealed that the fundamentalist understanding of the Koran saying that a martyr will get 70 virgins in incorrect. It really says 70 Virginians."--Robin Williams

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    I suppose that you have to be a really super Muslim to get sluts instead of virgins?

    Englishman.

  • Shakita
    Shakita

    More....

    UNDERSTANDING ISLAM
    IN LIGHT OF

    THE ATTACK ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER AND THE PENTAGON

    By Dr. Labib Mikhail

    The barbaric, horrific terrorist attacks on Tuesday, September 11, 2001 on the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Washington, DC have caused every American to ask why did it happen? Who did it? And why do they hate us?

    The investigation of the CIA and FBI has concluded that the attackers were Muslims. Does that mean that every Muslim is a terrorist? By no means. There are many decent Muslims. But while many news commentators and politicians are proclaiming that Islam is a peace-loving religion others are warning of Islamic Jihad, or Holy War.

    These conflicting descriptions of Islam can be explained by examining the three types of Muslims: Secularists, Moderates, and Fundamentalists. The Quran the holy book of Islam, is used by each group to justify their way of thinking.

    THREE TYPES OF MUSLIMS

    Secularists are Muslims who do not have a knowledge of the contents of the Quran and only know a verse or two to justify enjoying their life such as: "Wealth and children are the adornment of the life of this world" (Surat AI-Kahf 18:46).

    Moderates know the Quran but seek to make their faith relevant to modern life. They try to reconcile the contradicting verses in the Quran in such a way that Muslims may tolerate Jews and Christians living among them. They emphasize the verses that came to the Prophet Muhammad when he was weak militarily and in need of the support of Jews and Christians. These verses which are kind to Jews and Christians are:

    "So, if you (Muhammad) are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you then ask these who are reading the Book (the Torah and the Injeel [Gospel]) before you. Verily the truth has come to you from thy Lord. So be not of those who doubt?' (Surat Yunus 10:94).

    "Verily, you will find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) the Jews and those who are AI-Mushrikun, and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say: 'We are Christians.' That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud' (Surat Al-Maidab 5:82).

    "Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve" (Surat Al-Baqarah 2:62).

    Barnabas Fund in England wrote:

    "The Muslim Prophet Muhammad, the founder of Islam, was a complex character whose attitudes and opinions changed and evolved during his lifetime in response to events around him. It is not surprising to find that Islam is a complex faith."

    When needed, Muslim clerics use Quranic verses including those kind to Jews and Christians to paint a glowing picture of Islam as a religion of peace, brotherhood, modesty, morality, self-discipline and family values. But, the true face of Islam is revealed in the Quranic verses calling Muslims to "Jihad," which means holy war against all non-Muslims. We will quote again from the article by Barnabas Fund.

    "It is true that many individual Muslims are peace loving and law-abiding. But, it is not true that peace is the main characteristic of the faith of Islam."

    Fundamentalists are those who want to apply the more extreme verses of the Quran to the letter. These verses came to Muhammad after he was strong militarily and after he realized that the Christians and Jews were not becoming followers of his new religion. Muhammad's anger in the following Quranic verses, which abrogate the nice verses in the Quran, is the root of violence which saturates and captures the minds of these fundamentalist Muslims:

    1) The Prophet Muhammad urges Muslims to fight in the cause of Allah

    "0 prophet Muhammad urge the believers (Muslims) to fight" (Surat Al-Anfal 8:65).

    "Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's cause) is ordained for"
    (Surat A1-Baqarah 2:216).

    2) The Quran commands Muslims not to befriend Jews or Christians

    "0 ye who believe (Muslims) take not the Jews or the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them" (Surat AI-Maidah 5:51).

    3) The Quran commands Muslims to fight Jews and Christians

    "Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad) and those
    who acknowledge not the religion of truth (Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Surah At-Taubah 9:29).

    Jizyah is a special high tax to be paid only by Jews or Christians who do not want to renounce their religion and convert to Islam.

    4) The Quran commands Muslims to fight non-Muslims until they exterminate all other religions and Islam would be the only religion in the world.

    'And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against As-Zatimun (the polytheists and wrong doers)" (Surat AI-Baqara 2:193).

    This verse is mentioned also in Surat AI-Anfal 8:39. Because of the misunderstanding and ignorance of Christianity, Muslims believe that Christians are polytheists, because they believe in a Triune God. Fundamentalists look at Jews and Christians and all non-Muslims as infidels who must be killed because they have no value as human beings and must be exterminated from the face of the earth.

    Fundamentalists divide the world into two camps, Dar Al-Harb' (Camp of war) where Jews and Christians live, and Dar AI-Sallam (Camp of peace) where Muslims live. They believe that Holy war against those who live in the camp of war should continue until they are exterminated.

    Fundamentalists dream of a global Islamic empire. They believe that if they destroy America and the western countries, that they will achieve this dream.

    5) The Quran declares that Muslims who fight and die in battle are promised forgiveness and a sexual luxurious life in Paradise.

    "And if you are killed or die in the Way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all that they amass (of worldly wealth)' (Surat AI-lmran 3:157).

    'Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for (the price) that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him" (Surat At-Taubah 9:111).

    What can martyrs expect in paradise? The Quran describes life in paradise in the following words:

    "Eat and drink with happiness because of what you used to do. They will recline (with ease) on thrones arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to Hur (fair females) with wide lovely eyes. And We shall provide Them with fruit and meat such as they desire' (Surat At-Tur 52:17-20,22).

    "Water flowing constantly and fruit in plenty whose supply is not cut off and reclining on couches raised high, verily we have created them (women) of special creation and made them virgins of equal age" (Surat AI-Waqiah 56:31-37).

    "Gardens and vineyards and young full-breasted virgins of equal age and a full cup of wine" (Surat An-Naba 78:32-34).

    Some prominent Muslim clerics call the suicide bombers martyrs because in the Quran, a martyr is guaranteed total forgiveness of his sins and eternal life in paradise where he can drink wine and will be married to a great number of beautiful sensual virgins. While in fact these martyrs are nothing more than murderers.

    Nineteen educated Muslims committed suicide and killed thousands of innocent men, women and children in the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and the four planes they flew on that black Tuesday. Those nineteen Muslims did that because of their deep conviction that they will go directly to paradise to enjoy sensual pleasures, and because of their terrible hatred for America; a country populated by a Christian majority.

    Muhammad Atta, who flew the first plane into the World Trade Center, was a devout Muslim. He was born in Egypt to a lawyer and was a highly intelligent person who communicated with ease with children, old men, professors and people in government. As a student in Germany he was known to be quiet and very religious. Atta regularly prayed on the floor of his office and founded an Islamic prayer and study group at the University in January 1999.

    Atta lived and moved easily in Western society while secretly hating it. He was a man on a mission and on the front of his thesis, presented in October 1999, he wrote the following verse from the Quran: " My Prayer and my sacrifice and my life and my death belong to Allah, the Lord of the worlds" (Washington Post 09/22/01). The West needs to know that many other Muhammad Attas may quietly be living amongst us.

    6) The Quran commands Muslims to terrorize and torture and kill anyone who disobeys Allah and the Prophet Muhammad:

    "(Remember) when your Lord revealed to the angels, 'Verily I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieve, so strike them over the necks and smite over all their fingers and toes. This is because they defied and disobeyed Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad). And whoever defies and disobeys Allah and His Messenger, them verily, Allah is Severe in punishment. This is (the torment), so taste it; and surely, for the disbelievers is the torment of the Fire" (Surat AI-Anfal 8:12-14).

    "The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad) and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter'
    (Surat AI-Maidah 5:33).

    7) The Quran declares that Allah loves those who fight in His cause.

    "Verily, Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in rows as if they were solid structures" (Surat As-Saff 61:4).

    8) The Quran commands Muslims to convert non-Muslims to Islam by force.

    "Kill the Mushrikun (polytheists, Christians and non-Muslims), wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-salat (public prayer with Muslims) and give Zakat (Islamic alms), then leave their way free. Allah is oft-forgiving, most merciful' (Surat At-Taubah 9;5).

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    taken from http://thespiritofislam.com/nyattack01.html

    Mrs. Shakita

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    Hamas,

    You're trying to hide something me thinks. Hadith has much more weight than you'd like to admit and are more than the mere opinion of some scholar.

    Here's the definition of Hadith.

    Collections of sayings and acts of Muhammad and the first Muslims . These collections are used as an addition to the Holy Koran for understanding Islam .
    When the revelations that Muhammad received ended with his death in 632, many Muslims felt that there were questions that would be enlightened, or even answered, if one had more information on what was right conduct in different situations.
    But the real collections of what today is known as hadiths, or Sunna — another word for hadith, became a systematic science not before about 2 centuries after the death of Muhammad. Until then, there were stories on Muhammad's and his followers' lives called sira. To which extent these were used in guidance for the Muslims is somewhat difficult to ascertain, but the collecting and systemising of these stories two centuries later, would not have been possible if there hadn't been any system on how to understand the siras for the everyday life of the Muslims.
    When the early Muslim scholars collected of the siras, they used two methods. The first method involved weighing the authenticity by seing who had transmitted the stories, and how far back in time it was possible to trace the transmitters, and if these transmitters were reported to be honest people and so on. The other method was to compare stories, and the better a group of stories fitted one another, the more reliable they were considered to be.
    The resulting work are 6 collections, or hadiths. Of these the one made by the scholar Bukhari is considered to be the most scientifically correct. Al-Muslim's hadith is considered to be almost as good as Bukhari's. The other 4 have also high value, but most people reading the hadiths seldom extend beyond Bukhari and Al-Muslim.
    The value and quality of the hadiths must be valued as high, when seen with modern scientific standards as reference. The technique used by these historians, resembles to a large extent what is used today, except that they had no reference historical works to depend upon. While irregularities can be traced, little can be ascribed to lack of scientific honesty.
    The implementation of the hadiths are more problematic than most Muslims will admit to. While the notion that the Koran is complete and all-inclusive is strong among Muslims, the hadiths are still frequently used, and one could hardly image the development of Muslim theology and science of law, Sharia without them.
    The development of Muslim lifestyles and thology has probably been built upon the hadiths as by the Holy Koran. But still the hadiths do not have the same weight and symbolic value as the Holy Koran to most Muslims.
  • Realist
    Realist

    well perhaps we can agree that all religions are idiotic and that the less influence they have the better it is!

    be it christiandom, the WT, islam, hindu or whatever its all hair-raising nonsense.

  • Mary
    Mary

    The main problem with all religionists, whether they are Christian, Jew or Muslim, is that it's the fanatics that ruin it for everyone else. I have Jewish friends and my dentist is a Muslim and he's wonderful. Heck my Jewish friends even go to my Muslim dentist to get their teeth fixed. The reason we can all get along, is because we're all moderates. Yes, we all have different ideas when it comes to worshipping God, but we're all intelligent enough to respect other beliefs and not impose our views on them. I for one, this the religion of Islam is totally screwed, but I'm not going to tell my dentist that, because I don't want to insult him and he shows me the same respect.

    Unfortunately, alot of Muslims today are still living in the Dark Ages. Their thinking is totally backward, they seem to have a hatred for women, Jews and Americans that knows no bounds and they seem to care only for Jihad, especially in the Islamic countries in the Middle East.

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