A question for those churchgoing ones...forgiveness

by ashitaka 68 Replies latest jw friends

  • DJ
    DJ

    (((((rocketman))))) I didn't take offense. I know that you are not mean spirited. As far as living with guilt. Yes, i agree b/c the wt made me feel that way as well. Since I left their teachings I have come to discern the difference between conviction by the Holy Spirit and condemnation. That was key for me to understand. I don't feel in danger of losing my salvation when I sin now, like I did as jw, instead I have learned to simply take the conviction (guilt as you put it) and realize that it is a reminder of why Christ died for me .Plead the blood of the lamb. Otherwise....I would become arrogant I suppose. It keeps me humble yet I do not feel condemned in any way. I also agree that some days,heck all I did was take care of kids and handle the neccesities in life....etc...so where did I sin? Maybe some days I don't ??? That mechanism of conviction is there though when I do need it. I view it as a gentle reminder, that's all. I think it is how we react to the conviction that is important. I'm thankful for it now! It's like the conscience that I never had.. I neede it, believe me when I tell ya...I was bad. Some of the wt induced guilt about holidays and other freedoms that we have in Christ had caused me to stumble because those convictions were not truly convictions of the Spirit, but man made rules. I hope that I made sense to you. I tend to be babbling lately. love, dj

    Stink,

    If you don't feel that you need forgiveness then fine. I disagree but the decision is not mine to make for you. I am not going to respond to your posting because it seems futile and I have to draw the line somewhere. I am not the type who enjoys debating when it seems to be for nothing. You have made your opinions clear throughout the board about your opinion of God and his existence and how He should be according to you. I don't agree but I accept your right to think that way. love, dj

  • StinkyPantz
    StinkyPantz

    DJ-

    Stop changing what I've said to make yourself look better!!!

    If you don't feel that you need forgiveness then fine.

    I said the exact opposite of what you are claiming that I said. You're right, please don't talk to me! If you want to continue lying, I'd rather you shut up.

    For the record I said: I forgive those that deserve it. We all do things we are sorry for. BUT, if I molested a child, I wouldn't blame that person for not forgiving me AND I have not forgiven the person who did this to me.

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge
    Now tell me why would God want to save a person who does not and will not except his existance.

    Why? Because, for a God to be truly good, he would be able to understand the reasons behind a person's belief or disbelief, and see their hearts. That is, if God is all knowing. If not, he's just some guy up above who doesn't answer prayers, who arbitrarily kills people according to how he's feeling that week.

    ash

    Ash... you took the words right out of my mouth. I hope people really open their eyes and note the various opinions/beliefs by "Christians".... they are not all neatly wrapped up in the same package. I consider myself a Christian, yet some of the "Christian" threads are full of beliefs unrecognizable by me. They seem to serve a God of pettiness and not one of love, justice and mercy. "Christianity" shouldn't be painted with such a narrow brush stoke.

  • DJ
    DJ

    Stink said:

    5. We all sin, that is why we need Christ....for forgiveness. I don't.

    I must have misunderstood.

  • StinkyPantz
    StinkyPantz
    that is why we need Christ

    I was saying that I don't need Christ, but I can see why you misunderstood. I'll take equal blame for my mispaste.

  • teenyuck
    teenyuck

    I am sorry I left the house. SP said pretty much what I would have.

    KGB, little witch, et al. I am not trying to abuse you or offend you.

    I am sorry, please forgive me-

  • little witch
    little witch

    I am not offended by you teeny.

    I was only commenting that ''churchgoers'' were ask to opine. And somehow the thread turned into another "us v. them''.

    But I got reading another thread, I think from Stinky, asking athiest, agnostics to opine, and guess what? Same thing. Bunch of church going types hijacked the thread.

    I read alot of the posts, but try not to feel oblidged to jump in on one just to put in my two cents. I mean, I try to at least understand the question first, and not opine something irrelevant to the topic.

  • SheilaM
    SheilaM

    Beryl: I guess he missed your OVER 700 posts during his whole 180 posts GEESH that was RUDE

  • StinkyPantz
    StinkyPantz

    I think there are at least two ways to heal after being abused:

    1. Justice. Seeing that person locked up or dead and knowing that they can't hurt anyone else.

    2. Forgiveness. Some need to do this in order to get on with their lives.

    Both are equally as therapeutic in my eyes. But when you lower the sin of child molestation and equate it with stealing a lollipop seems to trivialize things to me:

    So when your facing God on your judgement day he will say that your stealing that lolipop from circle K is the same as the child molestor.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/54218/785183/post.ashx#785183

  • teenyuck
    teenyuck

    Stinky, that is key. I don't know how/if I could forgive someone who so serioulsy hurt me. That is what I read in Ash's post.

    It sounds so easy to say you forgive them because of Jesus, however, being abused and having your innocence taken away is, to me, unforgiveable.

    However, as noted, holding onto something makes you physically ill. I think coming to terms with it, through therapy is important.

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