by qwerty 137 Replies latest jw friends
There is no face on mars,etc.
Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny...[...]
Tina,
y'know, Sagan, practically on his deathbed, in his last book "Demon-Haunted World", did admit that the martian face mystery deserved serious scientific scrutiny and research... this, after he had ridiculed it for years.
The time that my computer take to calculate data from the Search for
Extra Terrestrial Intelligence and we have a SETI's message on Mars
and we don't want to believe it !!!;-)
Well, I suppress the program.
Bye
Charles
Hi Tally,
And since Sagan's death,NASA has released better raw data,images,that show it's a natural geological formation.
Why don't you check out the site i suggested,all the links and data regarding that is available. Just type "Face on Mars' in the search there. regards,tina
Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny...."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense,you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."
Tina:
Now, take a look at this website, and see an egotistical, yet thorough explanation of why the CSICOP is full of shit.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/skeptik.htm
-ianao
Noting that one looking at a sceptical source is going to find skepticism class.
Tina:
Please tell me, which one of these is better at showing a hill.
JanH:
Why did the one on the left appear on the news and the one on the right REPLACE the one on the left months later (and silently)?
And since Sagan's death,NASA has released better raw data,images,that show it's a natural geological formation.
Tina, nawwwww, NASA has been 'gettin' jiggy wit'it' concerning those Mars face images... now, if they had left the images - R A W - instead of filtering and processing the hell out of them, and let the public and Anchorman Dannyboy Rather see the RAW images, then THAT would've been a Hell Of A Lot Better.
'Course there are a lot of other Martian images out there which fairly beg for artificiality.
I've been to Skeptical Inquirer's online site many times, reading, and have taken their magazines years ago... and cannot agree with everything they say (cannot disagree with everything they put out, either), but especially do I disagree with their position on the Mars Enigmas.
That link ianao just supplied was as good a Rebuttal of SI's position as you'll get... if you can overlook Hoagland's ego... but heeyy, you had to overlook Carl Sagan gigantic ego, too.
So, Tina, we're gonna have to disagree on this one...
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Our FIRST Disagreement!
I sure hope this doesn't affect our longtime friendship.
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if you can overlook Hoagland's ego
Do you really want to get personal and nasty with me, TomT?
- Jan
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Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. [Ambrose Bierce, The Devil´s Dictionary, 1911]
Do you really want to get personal and nasty with me, TomT?
Jan, you're pulling my leg, arn'....... heeeeyyyy, wade-a-minit!
You thought I was talking about YOU!!??
No Way!
'Hoagland' not 'Haugland', Richard Hoagland - Mars Enigmas Investigator Extraordinaire!
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Now, I don't know if you were pulling my leg, 'cause the appropriate smiley faces did not appear...
Hell, Jan, we've argued for years and we're still buds... and I can personally attest to your Gigantic Humility!
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Just so I'll know, what exactly would be a credible reason to suppress any information regarding a "face" on mars?
Keyword is credible.
Please, for my blood pressures sake, think before you answer.
While I'm asking questions, what exactly would happen to a scientist who couldn't help himself and "spilled the beans" that there is indeed credible evidence of intelligent landscape work being done on mars? hhhmmmm, what? Lose his job?
One other question, how come that thing really doesn't look that much like a face? Why does it look so much like...like... what is that word we use here on earth? Oh, yeah, terrain. It looks like terrain with an uncanny resemblence to a face. Anything unusual about that? Anything?
About the photography and image manipulation, I will have to look into it further to see what all the hub-bub is about, but, it is, afterall, photography of mars. It isn't like taking a picture of a flower in your back yard. Enhancing the image for scientific purposes is completely valid. Even at first glance, the image ianao posted looks as if the pic on the left was not converted correctly for viewing with the square pixels of a computer screen, ie. a "raw" conversion of a frame of video.
Janny, Janny, Janny!
Ego! Ego! Ego!
Tallyman: Sagan's ego *was* almost as big as Hoagland's is now, IMO.
