I think that the ultimate insult you could ever direct at someone is to say that they don't exist ; that they are nothing, nobody .
Thats how I would answer this question.
DOES SATAN EXIST?
by Dansk 31 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Dansk
Hamas, my friend
I think that the ultimate insult you could ever direct at someone is to say that they don't exist ; that they are nothing, nobody
you've lost me here! Are you saying it's an insult to say Satan doesn't exist?
What I'm trying to show here is that one's worries over Satan (if one does worry) are unfounded as he doesn't exist! I'm trying to allow people to see where "Satan" originated - which is in the minds of an ancient people.
Or are you saying it's an insult to deny that the Jews were taken into captivity by the Assyrians? In which case I'd agree with you!
Dansk
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Sirona
Does Satan Exist? No
I do think that some of the things that people label "negative" are necessary, such as death. Did you see the program last night "Surviving Extremes"? The man was in Greenland - it showed the locals hunting and stacking up seal carcasses, eating seal livers raw, etc. and the man (can't remember his name sorry) was at first disgusted but then came to understand that that is the only way the locals could actually survive.
I got to thinking that when we go to the supermarket we are surrounded by death in the meat aisles and although we have vegetables to live on nowadays, in times past meat was a necessary part of the diet and of course the death was necessary.
I'm rambling...but what I mean is that some things labelled evil are not evil - such as anger or pain.
Sirona
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teejay
Of course satan exists. He lives down the street from santa clause. You know... around the corner from the boogey man.
I lean toward thinking that the Zoroastrian theology of ultimate good and ultimate evil explains where the Jews (while in Persia) came up with the ideas of satan; heaven and hell; and the resurrection. What the Jews "learned" in Persia eventually led them to produce the idea of a Messiah who was to come as a precursor to the eventual shoot-out between the (Armageddon).
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Simon
Sorry Dansk
I read it quickly and thought it said "Egyption" (mentioned higher up in your post)
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Cassiline
Yes, she does, I met her this morning. my ass.
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Dansk
Sorry Dansk
I read it quickly and thought it said "Egyption" (mentioned higher up in your post)
LOL, absolutely no problem (good job you know me!) Wish I had a quid for every mistake I'd made!! Dansk
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Hamas
Hey Dansk,
Maybe I worded it wrong. I meant to say that it would be an insult to Satan to say that he doesn't exist; as obviously he would like people to think that he does.
Poor argument, I know !
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Dansk
Hamas
I meant to say that it would be an insult to Satan to say that he doesn't exist; as obviously he would like people to think that he does.
Satan can't think anything - he's completely unreal! See my original post.
Dansk
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Sentinel
Dansk,
I've been doing lots of research myself into the origins of belief systems, religions, etc.--and lots of "accepted dogma" that is all around us. During the process, I too, came to believe that Satan is just termonology and not a being. You'd be surprized at how much you can learn just by going to a good dictionary. And then by following up with books and the internet.
In society, it seems that there always needs to be a scapegoat. In religious society, that scapegoat has been "Satan". Evil is just the opposite of good. It is a "state of existence in a person" that can come or go as we grow and learn. I have not known of one truly evil person, who wasn't loved by someone. That says something to me, no matter how suttle.
There are just so many things that we have been force-fed since birth, and then being a JW didn't help matters. We were ostrasized and punnished for questioning or being curious. No one has the right to stop personal growth. That is why there is such an internal struggle when we are unnaturally held at bay for something that is inherent to human nature.