The Bible’s Viewpoint - Does God Change?

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  • Surreptitious
    Surreptitious

    The Bible’s Viewpoint

    Does

    God Change?

    ANTHROPOLOGIST George Dorsey described the God of the "Old Testament" as "a savage God." He added: "Yahweh is . . . utterly unlovely. He is the God of plunderers, of torturers, of warriors, of conquest." Others have reached similar conclusions regarding the God of the "Old Testament"—Yahweh, or Jehovah. Thus, some today wonder whether Jehovah was in fact a cruel God who eventually changed his character to become the loving and merciful God of the "New Testament."

    Such an idea about the God of the Bible is not new. It was first propounded by Marcion, a semi-Gnostic of the second century C.E. Marcion repudiated the God of the "Old Testament." He considered that God to be violent and vindictive, a tyrant who offered material rewards to those worshiping him. On the other hand, Marcion described the "New Testament" God—as revealed through Jesus Christ—as a perfect God, a God of pure love and mercy, of graciousness and forgiveness.

    Jehovah

    Meets the Challenge of Changing Conditions

    God’s very name, Jehovah, means "He Causes to Become." This implies that Jehovah causes himself to become the Fulfiller of all his promises. When Moses asked God his name, Jehovah elaborated on its meaning in this way: "I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be." (Exodus 3:14) Rotherham’s translation puts it this way: "I Will Become whatsoever I please."

    So Jehovah chooses to become, or proves to be, whatever is needed to fulfill his righteous purposes and promises. An evidence of this is the fact that he bears a wide array of titles and descriptive terms: Jehovah of armies, Judge, Sovereign, Jealous, Sovereign Lord, Creator, Father, Grand Instructor, Shepherd, Hearer of prayer, Repurchaser, happy God, and many others. He has chosen to become all of these—and much more—in order to carry out his loving purposes.—Exodus 34:14; Judges 11:27; Psalm 23:1; 65:2; 73:28; 89:26; Isaiah 8:13; 30:20; 40:28; 41:14; 1 Timothy 1:11.

    Does this mean, then, that God’s personality or standards change? No. Regarding God, James 1:17 says: "With him there is not a variation of the turning of the shadow." How could God meet the challenge of varying circumstances while remaining unchanging himself?

    The example of caring parents who shift roles for the sake of their children illustrates how this is possible. In the course of a single day, a parent may be a cook, a housekeeper, an electrician, a nurse, a friend, a counselor, a teacher, a disciplinarian, and much more. The parent does not change personality when assuming these roles; he or she simply adapts to needs as they arise. The same is true of Jehovah but on a far grander scale. There is no limit to what he can cause himself to become in order to fulfill his purpose and to benefit his creatures.—Romans 11:33.

    For example, Jehovah is revealed as a God of love and mercy in both the Hebrew and the Christian Greek Scriptures. The prophet Micah of the eighth century B.C.E. asked about Jehovah: "Who is a God like you, one pardoning error and passing over transgression of the remnant of his inheritance? He will certainly not hold onto his anger forever, for he is delighting in loving-kindness." (Micah 7:18) Similarly, the apostle John wrote the famous words: "God is love."—1 John 4:8.

    On the other hand, in both parts of the Bible, Jehovah is presented as the righteous Judge of those who repeatedly, grossly, and unrepentantly violate his laws and harm others. "All the wicked ones [Jehovah] will annihilate," said the psalmist. (Psalm 145:20) In a similar vein, John 3:36 states: "He that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; he that disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him."

    Unchanging

    in Qualities

    Jehovah’s personality and cardinal qualities—love, wisdom, justice, and power—have not changed. He told the people of Israel: "I am Jehovah; I have not changed." (Malachi 3:6) This was some 3,500 years after God’s creation of mankind. True to that divine statement, a close examination of the Bible as a whole reveals a God who is unchanging in his standards and qualities. There has been no mellowing of Jehovah God’s personality during the centuries, since no such mellowing was needed.

    God’s firmness for righteousness, as revealed throughout the Bible, is no less nor his love any greater than it was at the beginning of his dealings with humans in Eden. The differences in his personality seemingly demonstrated in various parts of the Bible are in reality different aspects of the same unchanging personality. These result from the differing circumstances and persons dealt with, which called for different attitudes or relationships.

    Hence, the Scriptures show clearly that God’s personality has not changed over the centuries and will not change in the future. Jehovah is the supreme embodiment of constancy and consistency. At all times he is dependable and trustworthy. We can always rely on him.

  • happyout
    happyout

    A comedian once joked that the God in the New Testament was running for re-election.

    How apropos.

    Happyout

  • gumby
    gumby
    Thus, some today wonder whether Jehovah was in fact a cruel God who eventually changed his character to become the loving and merciful God of the "New Testament."

    Some wonder? What is there too "wonder" about?

    Jehovah didn't change his character........the lying church did. They invented Jesus as the guy who loves his enemies, doesn't return vengence for vengence, turns the other cheek. He is supposed to be the epitome of his dad yet his dad was absolutely NOTHING like him in the O.T.

    First of all......YHWH...(Jehovah) was borrowed from the "ugarits" who were BEFORE the hebrews. Their god YHWH...or EL.....was a lesser warrior god. The hebrews borrowed this god which ALREADY existed in the minds of those who believed in him. So I guess basically the O.T. is a bunch of horsey-shit just like the N.T. is. Now.......isn't that special?

    Gumby

  • berylblue
    berylblue

    Where did you find this, Sereptitious?

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Not to be a butt-insky, but I believe Surreptitious has supplied us with the text of a Watchtower magazine article from this year.

    The next question can be... Does the Watchtower ever change? YES ALL THE TIME.

  • rocketman
    rocketman

    "On the other hand, in both parts of the Bible, Jehovah is presented as the righteous Judge of those who repeatedly, grossly, and unrepentantly violate his laws and harm others".

    Funny how in this article, people have to "repeatedly, grossly, and unrepentantly violate his laws and harm others" in order to receive God's adverse judgement, and yet, we all know that according to real jw teaching that judgement involves about 99% of earth's population, including their neighbors, relatives, and acquaintences who are not jws. Of course, they put a different face on it here, while in the KM they tell it like it really is.

  • greven
    greven
    ANTHROPOLOGIST George Dorsey described the God of the "Old Testament" as "a savage God." He added: "Yahweh is . . . utterly unlovely. He is the God of plunderers, of torturers, of warriors, of conquest." Others have reached similar conclusions regarding the God of the "Old Testament"—Yahweh, or Jehovah. Thus, some today wonder whether Jehovah was in fact a cruel God who eventually changed his character to become the loving and merciful God of the "New Testament."

    While being a JW I struggled with this immensely. The OT and NT seemed to portray two different Gods really, one tribal and cruel the other sophisticated and caring.

    Does this mean, then, that God’s personality or standards change? No. Regarding God, James 1:17 says: "With him there is not a variation of the turning of the shadow." How could God meet the challenge of varying circumstances while remaining unchanging himself?

    The example of caring parents who shift roles for the sake of their children illustrates how this is possible. In the course of a single day, a parent may be a cook, a housekeeper, an electrician, a nurse, a friend, a counselor, a teacher, a disciplinarian, and much more. The parent does not change personality when assuming these roles; he or she simply adapts to needs as they arise. The same is true of Jehovah but on a far grander scale. There is no limit to what he can cause himself to become in order to fulfill his purpose and to benefit his creatures.—Romans 11:33.

    To use this same analogy of caring parents and the role they assume: Being a caring parent obviously limits the kind of roles one could adopt. A caring parent will for instance not assume the role of torturer, not even if it would help to accomplish a certain goal. The NT God is often portrayed as a loving Father, would a loving parent do something like this:

    "Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (1 Sam 15:2-3)

    On the other hand, in both parts of the Bible, Jehovah is presented as the righteous Judge of those who repeatedly, grossly, and unrepentantly violate his laws and harm others. "All the wicked ones [Jehovah] will annihilate," said the psalmist. (Psalm 145:20) In a similar vein, John 3:36 states: "He that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; he that disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him."

    What good can possibly be achieved by killing infant and suckling, both innocent and ignorant, let alone livestock? How did they "repeatedly, grossly, and unrepentantly violate his laws and harm others"? How can they be deemed wicked?

    Greven

  • Hamas
    Hamas

    Yes, YHWH does change .

    Evidence :

    He created the earth to be lived in for perfect humans. That was his purpose ; ask any JW that ! However Adam sinned, which meant God had to change by sending his 'son' down to earth to erradicate sin. If Adam would have never sinned, God would not have sent Jesus to earth. He had to change !

    Simple.

  • gumby
    gumby

    Rocketman,

    Good point! I suppose all who do not adhere to JW teachings are horrible, unrepentant sinners that deserve to die. Imagine a sweet little mother of 4 who is nothing but nice and sweet, but is not a JW. Now imagine armaggeddon coming and she and all her little ones are killed by Jehovah. Why was she killed? Simply because she wasn't a JW. Now compound that sweet mother of 4 by billions. That what you'll get at armaggeddon.

    Hamas,

    Same as the 144,000. That was never gods plan either. It was never gods plan for humans to rule humans yet god changed to that idea when man sinned according to the dubs.

    Gumby

  • Dansk
    Dansk

    Hi Hamas,

    Evidence :

    He created the earth to be lived in for perfect humans. That was his purpose ;

    What evidence? Without using the Bible or any other religious book direct me, please, to the evidence!

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/54769/795145/post.ashx#795145

    Dansk

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