Where is the evidence (page 2)

shamus

I should hope so, KGB. I started making my own decisions when I was three years old.

Thank you for the wonderful insight. Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed today, or is this just how you normally act?

AwakenedAndFree

Absolute proof of God's existence, however, cannot be found anywhere.
Dansk

Look around you, Dansk. What do you see? Who created your very own eyes that enable you to physically see your surroundings ... that is, enable you to see God's marvelous creations? How about the ability to rationalize? How about our marvelous body, and all it's amazing functions? Please meditate upon these things!

PSALMS:139:14:" I shall loud you because in a fear-inspiring way I am wonderfully made. Your works are wonderful, As my soul is very well aware."

God's existence is proven everywhere:

- God's existence is proven by the extreme complexity of creation -microscopic and macroscopic organisms and other physical matter.

- God's superlative wisdom to harmoniously ordain this very complex universe.

- God's Word, the Bible.

- Fulfillment of Bible Prophecy.

ISAIAH 45:18" For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited:" I am Jehovah, and there is no one else."

Christian Love,

AAF

drwtsn32

Who created your very own eyes that enable you to physically see your surroundings

Ah, I love this "evidence" for God. Ok, so we and all other creation are so complex and wonderful that it MUST have been designed. Designed by someone even more wonderous than the universe itself. Well then, who created/designed this superior being? If you cannot accept that the universe came into existence "by itself" then how can you so easily dismiss that God did not need a designer? The same God that is even more complex and wonderful than the universe?

logansrun

KGB,

have read many post here that others says the bible is incorrect

Okay, that's true. But then you say...

and that God could not exist.

I think you need to explain what you are trying to get across better. Do you mean that people (such as myself) who do not believe the Bible to be infallible also do not believe in the Judeo-Christian God? If so, then you are correct. Many people, through study and much investigation, have come to the conclusion that the Bible is grossly inaccurate about many things. If it is supposed to be God's word and it is filled with inaccuracies and morally repugnant accounts and teachings the logical conclusion would be that the supposed "God" of the Bible is as made up as any other divinity in religions such as Islam, Hinduism and Zoarostrianism. Can anyone prove this? No. It is not possible to prove anything with absolute certainty. Such is not the scientific method.

I have a faith in God and I do believe he does exist so it's not that I do not know what faith is.

Huh? I don't think anyone was accusing you of not having faith. I re-read that sentence a few times and I honestly don't see how it fits into your point.

I thought that maybe there was some substantial evidence that someone knew that would show evidence in Gods non-existance.

No one can prove the non-existence of anything. You cannot prove that your Judeo-Christian God exists and I cannot prove that there is a highly advanced alien race that exists in a universe which is invisible to our eyes. Get a book on logic and read it.

Many have said " Now that I really know the bible I have come to not believe in Gods word as true and that Jesus existance was a made up lie.

And many believe that Jesus did exist but was not the Son of God or a miracle worker. I believe that Jesus existed just like I believe Muhammed and the man that became the Buddha existed. Get a book about the historical Jesus and read it.

So I was loking for those who said these things to tell me where they got there evidence.

Oh, lord. You obviously have a computer. Do some internet searches under "atheism" or "Biblical criticism" and do the work yourself. Do you have a library card? Take a look at John Shelby Spong's "Rescuing the Bible From Fundamentalism" and you'll see a lot of reasons why educated humans have given up a faith in the Bible as the literal word of God. I don't see the point in writing about things that have already been presented time and time again and are readily available. Just take the time and read for yourself.

Bradley

logansrun

Awakened and Free,

Look around you, Dansk. What do you see? Who created your very own eyes that enable you to physically see your surroundings ... that is, enable you to see God's marvelous creations? How about the ability to rationalize? How about our marvelous body, and all it's amazing functions?

Have you ever heard of natural selection?

Bradley

pr_capone

Shamus... I was about to ask the same 2 questions.

Kansas District Overbeer

logansrun

hooberus,

Dansk said: The onus is on the believer to prove the existence of God - from sources outside of the Bible (and any other religious book)!
Nature is a source. The creation had a creator.

First off, that line of reasoning has a fatal flaw as dr wtsn pointed out: who created the creator? If you point to the "design" in nature and say it must have an intelligence behind it reason dictates that the designer is more complex and wonderful than that which he designs, no? So that creates an even bigger problem -- you have to account for the incredibly complex being which is not designed. Back to square one.

For the sake of argument, let's say there is a designer/creator. Where does it stand to reason that this God is the God of the Bible? How do you know it is not the Allah of the Koran or some God that has not revealed himself? These are live possibilities which you ignore.

Quoting from the Bible to support the Bible is not very scientific. If the Koran says, "Allah exists!" is that a very good reason to become a Muslim?

Bradley

AwakenedAndFree

dnwtsn32 said: "Well then, who created/designed this superior being?"

This Scripture answers the above question:

REVELATION 22:13:" I am the Al'pha and the O.me'ga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

Christian Love,

AAF

IslandWoman

If you cannot accept that the universe came into existence "by itself" then how can you so easily dismiss that God did not need a designer? The same God that is even more complex and wonderful than the universe?

Do you believe in infinity? Can you describe it? Where does it begin?

IW

Joseph Joachim

"God's superlative wisdom to harmoniously ordain this very complex universe." It's a pitty that God in his superlative wisdom didn't give us a pair of wings, because you might be watching awe-inspiring mountains (the Lord's superb creation) and accidentally slip and fall on your head 1000 meters below. And this ain't no consequence of the original sin or human imperfection, it's just gravity's law. There's no way to completely avoid danger in this world, then it's not possible to be completely happy, unless a guardian angel is looking after you 24 hours a day. Then why create a material world and humans in the first place, and not just angels? I think that the existence of a physical Universe regulated by rigid laws is evidence AGAINST the existence of an almighty God.

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