Where is the evidence (page 8)

drwtsn32

How could "matter" .....the things in our universe come about? It is composed of material. Material comes from something. Any idears?

Hmm.. I don't know, but there *had* to be something at the "start" that didn't come from something else. Otherwise you'd have the annoying problem of infinite causality. All matter is made up of neutrons, protons, and electrons. (Also positrons, antiprotons, and antineutrons if you want to consider antimatter ) These particles are made up of different kinds of quarks.

Maybe those building blocks of matter have always existed. For me it seems much simpler and more likely that those most basic components have always been around instead of some infinitely powerful and infinitely complex being.

gumby

For me it seems much simpler and more likely that those most basic components have always been around instead of some infinitely powerful and infinitely complex being.

How can you reason these things have....."always been around".......then say it's not reasonable that a creator could not have always been around? That's too easy. How can something just have always been around? It has to come from something.

Gumby

little witch

Oh, for petes sake

Kgb, dont pretend that I am some monster, that scared you so bad you pissed your pants...

I made one ''booboo'' (arguablly) in the nine months I have been here.

Dont make the mistake of thinking that certain statements are for your sole benifit.

I tried to point out to you why you are having a hard time here, and you attack me and say I am somehow tormenting you... well, boloney...

Truth is, you are your own worst enemy.....

gumby

I thought we were talkin about how big rocks got up in the sky?

rem

How can you reason these things have....."always been around".......then say it's not reasonable that a creator could not have always been around? That's too easy.

It's not entirely unreasonable - it may even be right, but it does ignore Occham's Razor, a useful logic tool. By positing an eternally existing intelligent being, you have added a more complex entity to the equation, thus making that explanation more complex.

How can something just have always been around? It has to come from something.

If you accept that an intelligent being can eternally exist, then why not simple matter? If everything MUST have an intelligent creator (which would neccessarily include intelligent creators), then you get back to infinite causality.

rem

gumby

Then dammit Rem......whats the answer?

I understand comparing rocks to a creator isn't fair. My point is the elements that we may have evolved from............came into being somehow from something.

Could be our brains are limited to understand certain concepts I suppose because our concepts are created upon only what we know exists or have seen.

Gumby

seedy3

Ok let me do some thinking here

If something came from nothing then nothing has always been here, which means that something had to be here becasue it came from nothing. Which brings up a point, if something came from nothing then the something that we are, is actually nothing, because something came from nothing, which means we are all nothing so that we can be something. So........... this really means nothing.

Hmmm I'm starting to see circles in my head, I think I need a nap now.

Seedy

drwtsn32

rem, good answer... I was about to write the same thing when I saw your response.

drwtsn32

Could be our brains are limited to understand certain concepts

Indeed... it is difficult to comprehend something that didn't come from something else. But that's what you have to accept whether you believe in an eternal god or eternal building blocks of matter.

How about dimensions beyond the third? We have a hard time picturing what a four dimensional object would be like, let alone dimensions beyond the fourth. But scientists have determined that our universe has 11 dimensions, and I believe that is with a high degree of certainty.

As a JW we had answers for *everything*... even though we now know that many of those answers were bogus. Welcome to the real world where we don't have all the answers!

gumby

If something came from nothing then nothing has always been here, which means that something had to be here becasue it came from nothing. Which brings up a point, if something came from nothing then the something that we are, is actually nothing, because something came from nothing, which means we are all nothing so that we can be something. So........... this really means nothing

Damn you seedy! You almost made me swallow my tongue reading this!

Gumby

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