What was he doing? (page 2)

worldlygirl

And another thing... if he can do anything, why doesn't he just spell out "There Is A God" in the clouds in the sky or something like that so we will all know for sure. Or would that just take all the fun out of it for him???

Surreptitious

Why couldn't god have created billions of planets each with billions of inhabitants. If only one of them stayed loyal to him then the question of universal sovereignty would have been solved without all the suffering.

He did. The universal sovreignty issue has been settled in those universes.

why doesn't he just spell out "There Is A God" in the clouds in the sky

Some would say that he has done just that.

Ariell

And another thing... if he can do anything, why doesn't he just spell out "There Is A God" in the clouds in the sky or something like that so we will all know for sure.

Or better yet, why doesn't he just talk to us the way he supposedly did with Adam and Eve? Oh, I forgot. He talks to us through the bible. A book that is capable of being intrepreted in a thousand different ways and is indirectly responsible for ruining millions of lives. Yea God. Thanks alot!

teejay

Counting flowers on the wall
playing Solitaire till dawn with a deck of 51
smoking cigarettes and watching Captain Kangaroo

drwtsn32

Well according to the bible he was always here right? No beginning.

That's where I have a problem with beliving in god. Why is it that the universe is too complex not to have had a creator but that god (who is even more complex than the universe since he supposedly created it) had no creator himself?

Ariell

Counting flowers on the wall
playing Solitaire till dawn with a deck of 51
smoking cigarettes and watching Captain Kangaroo

That would make sense, except for that fact that those things hadn't been created yet. Which makes it even more funnier.

Ariell

That's where I have a problem with beliving in god. Why is it that the universe is too complex not to have had a creator but that god (who is even more complex than the universe since he supposedly created it) had no creator himself?

Good Observation. I never looked at it that way.

drwtsn32

Good Observation. I never looked at it that way.

Thanks..... for some reason it is easy for those that believe in god to dismiss that he needed a creator because he is infinitely complex and wonderful and didn't need a creator. But they use that same reasoning on the universe (saying it is complex) that it demands a creator! I find it highly contradictory.

Personally I do believe that something had to not have a beginning, otherwise you run into a problem of infinite causaility (everything was created by something, that something was created by something else, that something else was created by yet something else, ad infinitum).

I think it is more reasonable to conclude that the most simple things have always existed instead of some infinitely complex being. By simple I mean the most basic atomic components or even just energy itself.

drwtsn32

Ariell, welcome to the board by the way!

NeonMadman

That's where I have a problem with beliving in god. Why is it that the universe is too complex not to have had a creator but that god (who is even more complex than the universe since he supposedly created it) had no creator himself?

Because you can boil it down to two options:

1. An intelligent being existed from eternity, and at some point made an intelligent decision to start making stuff.

2. Unintelligent stuff existed from eternity, and at some point, for no apparent reason, started forming itself into more complicated stuff.

There is, of course a third option, namely that at some point stuff suddenly appeared from nothing, and then started forming itself into more complicated stuff. But that seems less credible than either of the first two, and it has the disadvantage of violating the law of conservation of matter and energy.

So of the two options, to many of us, #1 seems much more plausible than #2, because it at least posits that some intelligence directed things, and not that things started to happen on their own for no reason.

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