The WTS Kills Another Child

by Robdar 33 Replies latest watchtower medical

  • Room 215
    Room 215

    Much like the man who has hold of the proverbial mad dog by the ears, wanting desperately to disengage but fearful of letting go lest he be bitten, it seems the WT would like to jettison, or at least moderate, their anti-transfusion strictures, but are rightly fearful of a tremendous backlash from the hundreds of thousands of loyal JWs whose relatives and/or close friends died as a result of this misguided policy.

    I bet they rue the day back in 1962, when they stupidly elevated their anti-blood policy from a matter of conscience and made it a disfellowshipping offense. Oppose blood transfusions, deplore them and rail against them all you want, and consider anyone who succumbs to a tansfusion for whatever reason as ``spiritually weak" but leave the fateful decision where it belongs -- with the individual and his/her family.

    I sense that they would love to ``turn back the clock" to 1962 and probably are hoping that some scientific/medical breakthrough will result in a synthetic blood alternative that will once and for all moot the whole issue... and we're almost at that point today in most surgicla applications, the lone exception seeming to be traumatic blood loss as result of of an accident or bodilly assault.

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    I sense that they would love to ``turn back the clock" to 1962 and probably are hoping that some scientific/medical breakthrough will result in a synthetic blood alternative that will once and for all moot the whole issue... and we're almost at that point today in most surgicla applications, the lone exception seeming to be traumatic blood loss as result of of an accident or bodilly assault.

    Room 215, If they could only recall the doctrine and not lose face, maybe they would. But possibly not. Can you imagine how important that the GB thinks that it is? Wow, to be God's messenger on earth......

    I used to think that when the WTS changed it's doctrine on the blood issue that I would go back to the KH. I don't think that anymore.

    I have hopes of getting into medical school. I promise the society this, as a member that was never df or da, I will do EVERYTHING within my power to save my patients. If that includes transfusions, so be it. I won't give it a second thought. And if I ever have a JW for a patient, I will do my best to inform them of what is really going on with their demigods in Brooklyn.

    Robyn

  • drwtsn32
    drwtsn32

    I don't think they'll reverse the doctrine on blood. Do you know how many people have lost loved ones because of that doctrine? If they later hear the Society say "Whoops, new light! We were wrong. Go ahead and take blood!" ... there will be a lot of pissed off people.

    I agree with the above comment that the Society is just hoping for some synthetic alternative to be developed. That would make this whole problem go away without the WTS looking bad.

    Makes me sick...

  • Gozz
    Gozz
    I think that the day that the WTS changes its beliefs on blood transfusions will be the day it crumbles.

    Can these parents be excused? Probably. Can their dear daughter be?. Probably. She was sixteen, and Robyn's narrative shows she made the decision to die rather than take a blood transfusion. It is unreasonable to us, but we once were there; may be not all of us, but most of us. Now it seems most unreasonable. But do we think about what made us not only accept this as truth sometime ago, and in fact preach it to others? The mind of the faithful works in a different way. It's a different country there. The parents are victims. Aubrey is a victim of victims. I will not allow the policy makers that.

    Jehovah's Witnesses, as usual, have not been paying good attention. They will not ask the right questions about the situation in Bulgaria with respect to Blood. The Governing Body produced a version of the blood card with a "slightly" different wording sometime ago, see scans here. Why did they do it? Did someone on the GB change his mind so that the two-thirds quota couldn't be met? I prophesy that the GB will change the position on blood. But many things will be done first. The process will be slow. Very gradual. They've started. The Society must no lose too much money; there are so many Watchtower Corporations already. They will need a lot of lawyers. And then the Faithful Slave will be announcing a period of "weeding".... the Society knows the current situation cannot be sustained for too long.

  • Room 215
    Room 215

    Robdar, I really don't think they have to, as you say `recall" the blood doctrine. It would seem to me that the most constructive --as well as pragmatic--thing for them to do is to knock it back down one notch to a matter of conscience a la pre-1962.

    By a simple proclamation, they could say something like ``brothers, in our view, acceptance of a blood transfusion is a serious violation of God's law; we do appreciate, however, that in keeping with God's great mercy, such a transgression occurs when a person succumbs to understandable human failings such as fear of dying or the tearful pleadings of a mate or children, it is an act of weakness rather than wickedness, or defiance of God's law.."

    So... let them fulminate against blood in print and from the platform, and mark the offending person as ``spirutally weak," ``immature ' ``weak" or whatever, and therefore unqualified to hold office,comment or pray puiblically all they want; just don't subject them to diusfellowshipment.

    Just the view from Two One Five

  • willyloman
    willyloman

    Do not expect the WTS to make any radical break with its current position on the blood issue. They have already done everything they can to set up a scenario by which this just goes away and becomes long forgotten... it's just taking longer than they thought. By now, any one of several blood substitute products was supposed to have found its way to market. That's the way it appeared, anyway, four or five years ago. As some of you know, these substitutes have so far failed to pass all of their clinical trials.

    In the meantime, however, members of the HLC across North America have largely succeeded in positioning bloodless medicine, or transfusion-free surgery as it's sometimes called, as the new standard and a best practice. Therefore you can, in almost any metropolitan area in the U.S., check into a hospital which will promise to manage your case without blood transfusions. Most of these hospitals have been guided by JW's in terms of setting up procedures. Often the hospitals have a director or manager of the program who is probably a witness, likely a former member of the HLC, who coordinates the program, trains doctors and nurses on what is acceptable, or not, to the average JW, and counsels JW patients so that they are more likely to accept all those "gray area" practices that can save their lives.

    The JW patient is made to feel not only welcome but even special, with a special wrist bracelet i.d. that carries some sort of visual "no blood" symbol, which is also on the patient's chart. In some hospitals, admissions personnel are trained to ask each patient if they want the "no blood" surgical option. JW patients end up on a surgical wing or floor where every single doctor and nurse they meet has attended in-service training and has pledged to support non-blood medical management of each case.

    This is reality. What is truly bizarre is how few JW's are really aware of this, even when the majority of their local hospitals offer this service. The degree of ignorance by individual elders on this subject is appalling. To this day, some will get up in the congo and talk about medical meanies who are out to force you to violate your conscience and take blood; some have even questioned the motives of these hospitals--whose very programs are the result of WTS initiatives.

    This has preempted the blood issue in nearly all cases where the patient is informed. JW's are one successful blood substitute trial away from having the whole issue evaporate, and then the WTS can simply declare victory and move on. It has taken them 15 years to get to this point. Don't expect them to bail out now.

  • LeslieV
    LeslieV

    (((((((Robyn and Mary))))))))) My heart hurts for you both!!!! I will light a candle tonight in honor of Aubrey and Mary's son.

    Leslie

  • Buster
    Buster

    Horrible.

    A couple points come to mind:

    1. I remember in the early 70's the wife of the PO needed a heart vavle replacement. She went to a Texas hospital for the operation. They claimed the hospital would conduct the operation woithout blood tranfusions. Sometime after that, my dad (nonDub) was talking to a Dr. that stated adamantly that there was no such bloodless heart valve replacement procedure. I remember him stating that we someday the truth will come out. As far as I know, it never did.

    2. In Massachusetts, courts routinely overrode the no-blood decision for minors (But I remember moslty very young children - particularly newborns with acute ABO Incompatibility). While growing up, it always seemed an easy way out. Plus my dad never would have allowed a 'no blood' decision.

  • bittersweet
    bittersweet

    Buster, in Massachusetts it's still really easy for Doctors to get a court order for blood transfusions. A few years ago my son needed surgery, and my husband said no blood ( he didn't need it any way ). The Doctor told me it was as easy as picking up the phone to get an immediate court order for a transfusion ( which made me feel better at the time ).As the Doctor walked my son into the operating room, he looked at me and said " Don't worry, I will take good care of your son ", and at that moment, I knew he would do whatever it took to make sure my son would be ok.

  • avengers
    avengers

    Balsam

    I am one of those unfortunate parents who had a child die in part as a result from refusing blood transfusions to save his life.

    You're not alone here. We have to keep working so as to avoid things like this from happening in the future.

    Part of my story is right here. Please don't be shocked. We must stop this WT madness!

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/55557/810750/post.ashx#810750

    Andy.

    To Robdar. I read your story. How many more lives will it take?
    I posted a link to my story. Thought I'd help you out. Hope you don't mind.........Andy.

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