How Sad (page 5)

coffee_black

Northern Girl,

You were lucky...oops, I mean fortunate not to receive the treatment others did for getting an education. The society doesn't see the cost it demands in human potential. It's too bad really, but just another form of control. I'm very happy to be free of that control, and though it took me many years, I now have a great life, career etc.

Strongheadedness is not bad, it just needs to be tempered with reason. You appear to be willing to admit that you were wrong about education in the society. There are other issues that you will find, just like many here have found, that you were wrong about.. Just be openminded enough to examine the evidence. There was a time that I defended the organization as strongly as you do. I have learned much in the years since then.

Cat1759: What part of Mass did you go to in the 70s? I remember a group that came from California back then? I may know you. I'll PM you...

Coffee

northern girl

Andee:

And would you want to take that hope away from her? I wouldn't!!!

n g

northern girl

Coffe:

Thanks for your words of wisdom. Compared to a lot of people I know I think I am quite reasonable. Would you believe I am the quiet one around here? Maybe that's why I vent here so much ...

n g

BeautifulGarbage

NG,

Well, I don't consider it hope. She does. And, no, I do not, or have not, conspired to snatch her illusion of one day having "perfection". Whatever that is. She is clear my position on the society and, for the most part, agrees. She stays, does the bare minimum, because her very large family are all JW's and will cut her off in a heartbeat, like they did when she was DF'd.

What I consider to be sad, is that she, and many JWs, mortgage their lives to a Wolf Publishing Company in the disguise of a lamb "religion". They forgo their potential in this lifetime, what is true and real, NOW, for something that will never exist.

And, I am also another individual that was strongly discouraged from going to college. In fact, it was one of my JW father's favorite subject to rant about. In short, it was just a waste of time because the end was coming. And, it was important to me, at the time, not to displease him.

So, your experience, NG, was the exception, not the rule.

Though, I'm truly glad for you.

Andee

northern girl

Andee:

Obviously we all come from different backgrounds. Whether JWs or not, my family has values that supercede the values of all else ... we look after our own. We also will look after anyone else we can and if that involves preaching the Kingdom, then that is important too.

Being in touch with the here and now is a high priority as well. If you don't help yourself, then likely no one else will. If I sound out of touch with the societies teachings, maybe I am in for a rude awakening.

I suppose down deep I feel any hope is better than none ...

n g

coffee_black

Northern girl,

False hope is never kind. It focuses one in the wrong direction, and channels energy that could be focused on something real. One misses the here and now waiting for what might be. Awakening from an illusion, however well intentioned can be devastating. When one believes they will never die, for instance, and lives life focusing on a paradise earth instead of the one they are living in....how do you think it feels when they are in their 80s to have to recognize their own mortality for the first time in their lives? I know of elderly jws who are facing that right now. The promise of a future has robbed them of their lives, quite literally. Their talents and abilities...wasted. Some never had children because of wt teachings. Some never owned a home, or travelled or any of the things they might have done, had they not focused on life after armageddon. Hope is a good thing, but living in the here and now, facing whatever challenges may come up, and dealing with reality will make a person stronger and a more complete human being.

I truly believed that I would never die. We were told that constantly. One of the hardest things for me to give up when I left the org. was that belief. I know now that I will one day die. I value my life all the more, because I know it is finite. I live a richer, fuller life because of that realization. If I hadn't come to that realizaion, I would still be waiting to live.

Coffee

willyloman

Understatement of the year (so far):

If I sound out of touch with the societies teachings, maybe I am in for a rude awakening.

czarofmischief

Believing a lie, well, it won't help you, not really.

You'll just spin your wheels chasing a mirage, when you should be looking for real water.

If you COULD take her hope away, then it wouldn't be a real hope, would it? Maybe she would appreciate knowing the "truth" about the "troof"? If it is a real hope, then nobody could take it away.

CZAR

jgnat

I remember, way back, a poster said he would not disturb his 70 year old JW parents with the truth about the... At their age, the shock could kill them. I have witnessed the agony that some of you have gone through as you have read Crisis of Conscience. For some, perhaps the psychological shock that they have been serving a publishing company, not God's Appointed Organization, is just too much. Better to leave some alone.

northern girl

Coffee:

Belive me ... I understand what you mean more than you may realize. I know one has to live in the present. I also know many elderly are facing the possibility of dying for the first time. I lived through all that too but with the clear understanding that the day and the hour are not known to anyone, not even Jesus. Therefore I've always lived in the here and now ... I guess that's also why I'm df'ed. Always been a bit of a free spirit and as I've said before I've paid big time.

My point is no one knows when THE day will occur, but I DO believe it will ... possibly in my life-time. If not, then there is the hope of the ressurection. The elderly know this too. To me that isn't false hope .. it is a sure expectation of things hoped for.

n g

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