The reason the "apostate" nation of Judah was condemned so strongly was because their apostasy had very little to do with theological disagreements. It was a moral rebellion against the law of God... and involved fraud, economic exploitation, rampant bribery and corruption, and child sacrifice.
"God views apostacy as a much graver sin than pedophilia"
by Yizuman 46 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Yizuman
The reason the "apostate" nation of Judah was condemned so strongly was because their apostasy had very little to do with theological disagreements. It was a moral rebellion against the law of God... and involved fraud, economic exploitation, rampant bribery and corruption, and child sacrifice.
Then the old farts inside the WTBTS has committed Apostasy then! It was a moral rebellion against the law of God: They've done that already. and involved fraud, - No surpise there! economic exploitation, - So what else is new? rampant bribery - I heard Rutherford has done some of that and corruption, - I can agree with that. and child sacrifice. That's exactly what they are doing everytime they are defending a pedo in the courtroom at the expense of the WTS' bank account. Ladies and Germs, the Governing Body of the WTS are Apostates!!!!!!! Yiz
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kgfreeperson
There was a post from someone with lots of quotes. Never having been a JW, or studied with one, I am often baffled by the sites. could someone translate these for me? An example: *** g99 4/8 p. 7 The Crisis Is Worldwide ***
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Uzzah
Actually they are quite correct in that according to the Bible, apostacy is more dire than child abuse.
Apostates are scum. God's chosen people such as faithful Lot received jehovah's favor. He offered his daughters to the mob remember? Or maybe someone who was blessed even after he slept with his daughters, but he was drunk so that made it okay.
According to the Old Testament, children were viewed slightly higher than cattle. Woman were view much the same. This is why Jesus sitting with the Samarritan woman at the well and his welcoming the children to him (scolding his apostles for keeping them away) caused such a stir.
The Bible is full of stories of people apparently blessed by god that cared little for their children. Should it surprise us that a modern day religion that takes the bible so literally also doesn't really care for children either? Why else would it be possible for a parent to disown their child simply for a religious choice?
I would rather be an apostate that truly loves his kids, than to be a faithful Bible follower that would be able to turn my back on my children or be part of an organization that silently shields pedophiles in it's midst even if they are (or pretend to be) sorry about raping a child.
Uzzah
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blondie
Euphemism, I was think the same thing and I had not read any of the comments yet.
The reason the "apostate" nation of Judah was condemned so strongly was because their apostasy had very little to do with theological disagreements. It was a moral rebellion against the law of God... and involved fraud, economic exploitation, rampant bribery and corruption, and child sacrifice.
Especially, child sacrifice made the actions of the Israelites so reprehensible.
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cat1759
This is totally disgusting! Thinking back you are so right. My god I never saw that.
It sucks to be a woman and a child in this organization.
With their definition of apostacy, the GB is responsible for their own undoing.
They are the ones that have committed these grievous sins.
Talk about keeping the congregation clean my god they have it all backwards.
Maybe the congregations should have kept the GB clean.
Thank you
Cathy
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kls
Actually,the org.and it's followers view apostacy as graver sin then pedophilia.They either blame God or Satan for their stuipidity or lies.
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waiting
Dear Uzzah,
Thank you for pointing out that Chris' statements about the technically correct biblical view of apostacy and of child molestation are correct. Biblical view.
In the Old Testament, men had sex with other men - did the virgin male have to scream? Nooooooo. Man having sex with a non-virgin? Nooooooooooo. But have sex with a virgin girl? SHE had to scream. Why? She was property.....thus, the man had to pay her father the 'bride's price."
Notice that the WTBTS changed that (many times) so that ALL women and NO men had to scream to prove their virture to God and Angels....and elders.
Lot offered his two virgins daughters to have sex with a whole town of men who were beating Lot's house down trying to rape two strangers in town. Now, if that's not child abuse, don't know what is. And then Lot proceeds to father the nation of Israel through having sex with both his daughters while drunk.
The concubine who was raped all night long by strangers......she staggered back home and died on her owner's doorstep. What'd he do? Cut her up in pieces & sent her to all offending tribes of Israel.
The list is endless. Women, children & slaves didn't have many rights. It definitely was A Man's Society. So, it makes sense that anyone who dared rebel (enter into apostacy) against the nation of Israel or their God Jehovah should be killed. Afterall, they invented their killing Male God, did they not?
waiting
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Uzzah
Waiting:
Just curious. You once were well known for how you always had an incredible quote to add in your posts, sometimes several all relevant to the topic.
Reading your posts over the past several months, your posts are now becoming known for another 'trademark.' They (with rare exception) all now can be found to be taking a shot at the male species either as an over-riding theme of the post or in some kind of jab that at times is completely irrelevant to the point of the thread (unlike this one where it is very much on point imo).
Have you noticed this about yourself? I am not saying you are wrong, my gender has really screwed things up and has often clung desperately to hold onto a Patriarchal society it just seems to be an overwhelming theme of yours of late.
I guess I just miss your quotes and don't like being nervous to read your posts knowing I will likely be reading another shot at the male gender.
Uzzah
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Yizuman
The same dude "Chris (Warp)" was defending his quote when someone posted pointing out something of what he said....
Andyman writes: "The way Chris looks at things if a child was molested and ends up leaving the society at some time because nothing was done to the one who molested them, then that person speaks out against the society and it's policy on this issue, they are now an "apostate" who in the words of Chris is now worse than the sick person who molested them!"
Warp replies: "That's a real straw-man argument Andyman. My statement is that apostacy is worse than pedophilia. Now you need to prove or disprove whether this is true. All of you are not backtracking on your statements by justifying your initial shock with "well, actually I meant apostate in the way JWs use the word". At no time however, did any of you say, "but if we take the true definition of apostate then yes the statement is accurate". This obviously means that regardless of the way the word is defined you don't accept the statement as it stands. Now prove it isn't so! If you disagree with what I have written tell me what is wrong with it. It really is as simple as that."
heheh, strawman huh?
I can't direct link it because you'll get an error on the page, but here's the link to the main page...
http://new.carmforums.org/dc/dcboard.php
Then scroll down to the "Jehovah's Witness" forum, then click on the thread entitled, "Apostasy, It Is A Greater Sin Than Child Abuse"....
Very interesting thread....
Anyway, Andyman has a very good point and I thought you'd all be interested in that.
Yiz