Headline: "Islamic Invasion: Europe now scrambles for guns." How true is this?

by cappytan 155 Replies latest jw friends

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  bohm

  Viviane: Well, in this case, there are so many reasons that the numbers are off (as per the people that collected the numbers), that any comparison would be meaningless.

  Well Vivinane, I was not trying to create a gotcha moment, my point was more simple that the Sweedish government is obviously collecting these numbers for comparison purpose, otherwise there would be no idea in collecting the numbers. The numbers could be compared against those of other neighboring countries with similar economic/social structure such as Denmark or Norway. I do not think i said these comparisons should be between things which are not alike, of course i do not believe that and it is right of you to point that out as you did in your previous post. For instance they should compare numbers based on the same reporting strategy which might be difficult. One way to correct for this might be to compare murders or shooting incidents which presumably is recorded the same way in all countries and which can be expected to be correlated with the number of rape cases.

  At any rate you can compare numbers within sweeden, for instance you can see if the influx of asylum seekers increase the number of reported rapes as someone who believe there is a connection between rapes and the number of asylum seekers might predict.
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  username

  Have we all heard of the word fear porn? Something the watchtower love to use. Well so do our governments. There has to be a bogyman to increase the surveillance that is encroaching on our lives.
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  prologos

  -- increase the surveillance that is encroaching on our lives.Only criminals have to fear surveillance. The abduction of a refugee child was caught on camera, and the boy disappeared. The mother of the abductor turned him in. Two child abuses and murders were solved that way, and more prevented. Crime around some Refugee centers is up 300% and it is not all and always the newcomers. bring on the cameras.
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  Viviane

  Well Vivinane, I was not trying to create a gotcha moment, my point was more simple that the Sweedish government is obviously collecting these numbers for comparison purpose, otherwise there would be no idea in collecting the numbers.

  Riiiiiigt.

  At any rate you can compare numbers within sweeden, for instance you can see if the influx of asylum seekers increase the number of reported rapes as someone who believe there is a connection between rapes and the number of asylum seekers might predict.

  And again, correlation is not causation. Without collecting a lot more data, that statistic alone wouldn't tell you much. Did it increase per capita, including immigrants? Who were the perpetrators and the victims? Where were the crimes taking place? Simple data leads to simple conclusions that, on the surface, make "sense" but are often wrong.
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  Finkelstein

  The point is that no there isn't a huge flock of Europeans gathering up guns to protect themselves from what could be violent life threatening Muslims entering their country.

  This guy who wrote that article was over sensationalizing and mis representing both the facts and the truth.

  What he was underling trying to insinuate is that the majority of Muslims are violent extremists who are bent on killing any non Muslims wherever they go . This is far from the facts and the truth.
  

  I can see how these newly arrived referees that are mostly Muslims would draw up some concern and caution though in light of the recent events in France.
  
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  LoveUniHateExams

  Er, would anyone like to address my post on page 8?

  Thank you.
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  Driving Force

  Just across the road from where I live there is accommodation for refugees, the only commotion I have seen so far is when a group of about 8 Jehovah's Witnesses tried to enter the accommodation, but there are strict rules on who can enter and who cannot.
  Another thing, I was on the flea market this morning and there was a group of what to me were refugees, one man in his twenties with two adult females and three children. I can only guess at their family relationship. They looked very sad indeed.

  This is the view I have so far about the refugees, they are a group of sad, downtrodden and abused human beings, who had no choice but to flee the war in their own land. The millions of refugees in the world today, never asked to be born and never asked to be refugees.
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  bohm

  Finkelstein: Bingo! The fear-mongering and (in my view) a not so subtle attempt to turn this into an argument against gun control is just distracting from the many very real problems and suffering facing these poor people and (on the long run) the difficulties the countries that house them will have to face.
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  krejames

  Prologos: Only criminals have to fear surveillance

  I have heard this kind of argument so much, the "if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear" approach to the idea of surveillance. That's like saying "I don't care about free speech because I've got nothing to say". Sometimes we don't appreciate the value of something (like privacy) until it's gone...or until a less benevolent government is ruling over us that sees a lot of good use to make of all that surveillance data that was benign under the previous government...who's to say that just because something you're doing quite innocently now, won't be considered criminal in future?

  Surveillance has it's place and is useful when used in a proportionate way, but please, no more of this "only criminals have to fear surveillance" reasoning. Unfortunately it's this view that is making us sleepwalk into a 1984 style surveillance society.

  Ps -sorry for the slight diversion from the topic at hand. As you were (and good point, Username)
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  Finkelstein

  From the article in question .....

  Austrians are arming themselves at record rates in an effort to defend their households against feared attacks from Muslim invaders.

  Well when you want to attract attention to your writings use fear mongering, we all known it works we were once in a publishing organization that used the very same kind of tactics.